Renara Wrote:"like a month" being a week,
Oh that is so bullshit and you know it, you are now flat out lying and you know it. If anyone else from the old team was still here they could confirm this, but unlike me, they are smart and have moved on with life. So it's pretty much your word vs. mine, and I'm not going to drag Eggplants into this. So I guess it's up to the readers to decide who's more honest about this.
and I had maybe an hour's worth of debugging left when I got delayed. I could easily have just said nothing and posted it a day late (when it would have been ready), but instead I posted on the day to say why I was delayed and you exploded, taking the opportunity to go around posting about the unmitigated failure all over the public forum; so I decided I needed a break from the whole thing and disappeared for a month. I could post the demo right now as I did actually finish it in the end, for my own benefit, after Area 52 was formed, but I'm not going to as it's just an extended LoK v0.2 scene with some different gameplay coding bolted on to showcase an idea.
If you had any damn common sense you would have posted it a day late, I probably would have still made a smartass post about you being late but at least you still would have something to show for yourself and them maybe we wouldn't have a thread like this today. And yeah, I know I've posted many times about your short comings. I think everyone here that's expecting a game from you deserves to know the truth. Besides they would no doubt want an explination for why the team was falling apart. And you have the demo finished and ready to be posted, but you're not going to?
DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO BUY THAT? If you have the demo ready then post it, moot point or not! Go on, prove me wrong, prove all the doubters wrong and for the first time in damn near TWO YEARS, SHOW SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF! Or continue to show nothing and draw more and more doubt.
It won't be
v0.3 is just a slightly bigger chunk of Sauria, the whole point is getting it as complete as possible so that all that's left is to add more content. Sure it could probably have been planned in a more incremental way, but from the start the team didn't really know what we wanted exactly and it just ballooned, if anything I should have made non-democratic decisions from the start
Instead you decided to do that after you had a team willing to support you.
and limited things right down to just expanding LoK as it was, with tweaked game-play, and the PlayShapes art-style, which was actually what I'd intended when I started on my own, but that's moot now. I'm quite happy to roll with the overly ambitious target as that's what I've now invested a ton of time in; as ever, anyone looking to do a simpler or different LoK of their own are welcome to form a team, or go it alone, and try
You're skipping a step; it's what happened when discussions weren't going anywhere, and it became high time a decision was made instead, as a discussion is well-and-good so long as it is going somewhere, but sometimes they wouldn't. I only pulled the "my project" card when you were basically looking to do the project with a separate team already after my hiatus, that's where Area 52 came from.
First off, the discussions were going somewhere, and they would have gone faster if you would have gotten behind the idea (like the rest of us) of talking this over on a messenger, and even after you got AIM it was damn near impossible to get a conversation going with you as you left it up in the background and didn't check on it.
Second, no, you pulled the 'my project' card when everyone told you that your idea with the red eye in the cave was a stupid idea. Kat hadn't even started working on making a krystal model yet, and I'm not sure if RonPepper was up for doing backgrounds yet or not. Either way your 'my project, my way' response came before we were even considering splitting and making a new team. I don't know if you're lying on purpose, or if you just have a poor memory.
After that, yes we decided after you decided to go on a hiatus that we'd form a team without you, Area 52 may not have worked out, and we suffered many of the same problems as the original team, but it proved that we weren't going to wait around on you coming back.
Oh sure, posting about stuff to do is evil now =/
I'm just pointing out that threads demanding demos and deadlines (which this one wasn't supposed to be, sorry IrrelevantComment!) aren't really a very productive way to wait, there are other things to do here and plenty of options for being informed about LoK while doing something else entirely.
This isn't about maximizing productivity. This is about you doing some form of damage control for yourself and re-establishing some credit. Do you think these forums came to exist simply because you said 'I want to take up the challenge playshapes has left behind'? No it came about because you also posted PROOF OF WORK DONE ON YOUR OWN! You SHOWED everyone you could do something, you didn't just tell them. And now you're doing the exact opposite. It may not be the most productive way to work, but let's face it, if you have nothing to show after two years, I think it's a little late to be concerned with maxing out your productivity.
Not really; I completely understand why people may be frustrated or tired of waiting, all I do is post to point out there's no real benefit to making demands, and be clear what my intentions are and what options that people who are tired of waiting have instead. It's either that or I just lock or prune topics that get onto the same tired discussion, but I don't like locking topics that aren't really trolling or whatever.
I
am doing something about it, in addition to making these posts (since the two aren't mutually exclusive), but as I've already said quite a lot; I'm doing it in a closed way, with no public releases until I feel it's an appropriate time for them, which was the original issue I was responding to anyway. If you think that posting here cuts into my time to work on the game, what do you think releasing unnecessary demos would do to that time?
I'm not implying that these posts cut into your work time, I'm saying stop making excuses, you say the same thing over and over like a broken record. You could post a screenshot at least.
Thaedael Wrote:I am sick of this topic. Honest. If there is nothing to show people get self-entitled and want stuff. If there is stuff to show people get self-entitled and want stuff. If people act self-entitled, then there is no need motivation to show things, let alone talk about it. Ren says hes working on it, I don't know if he is, or isn't. If he gets half as harassed as I was with project ascension then fuck I wouldn't want to do anything, or show anything. I quit ascension because LoK forums is one of the worst place to showcase work. Since then I have started working on my own project, guess what, I am 3 months in, have hundreds of sprites done and a chapter done. Since no one knows about it I don't get harassed yay. Go play a game, read a book, make your own project, etc, but baiting renara and trunks with a thread like this is getting old and under my skin. I want to lock this, but if I do another one will show up in exactly 2 weeks, 1 day and 18 hours.
Sorry Thaedael, I had a feeling I'd be hearing from you after my response to Ren, and I know you're sick of the bickering. You know how quick I am to get pissed off and I do try and keep it down, but like you said, this thread should probably remain unlocked. Maybe this can be renamed the 'trunks and ren bitching at each other thread' or something, so like you're saying, there would be only one thread with it happening (or maybe there should be a bitching area on the forums, i dunno). On the other hand I almost want to say to lock this thread and see how accurate your prediction is. (I wouldn't put it past someone to make a thread in exactly 2 weeks, 1 day, and 18 hours of locking this one just because you said it.)
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:38 am