GOD DAMNIT!!! I made a huge wall of text again. I'm sorry.
JohnCollins5091 Wrote:Call me crazy, but I think I've seen this nuke dude before, in another forum. He made a game, which took a more serious approach at being sexually enslaved. It was fun and morbid, and I loved the read. Nuke's a pretty good fucking writer, if this is him. Personal opinions aside, Yummy, I think his skill and experience are worth listening too. Good to see he's not dead, too.
Well this is embarrassing: on the one hand, I do think of myself as a pretty good fucking writer, but i chalk that up to about 60% arrogance; And on the other hand, I haven't ever 'made' a game in this forum. I played around with suggesting one, but realized that all I would be able to provide is writing and design concepts.
Sorry man, I don't think I'm your man. (interested in the story though, if you can find it)
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Now then YummyTiger, I just realized something very clever about your games setup! You've made it so an antagonist FOR THE PLAYER is ever-present!
(Also understand that I myself do happen to trust your skill and will be playing this game to completion when it comes out)
Here's the breakdown,
if the player is in it for the porn, they are going to identify with Bogwart first. The primary obstacle in obtaining porn for much of this game is going to Aylia herself correct? Therefore Aylia will be the true antagonist for the player.
If the player is in this for the story, or at least wants to see Aylia happy and healthy and not molested, their may be enemies here and there that challenge that, but Bogwart will be an ever present threat to that goal! making Bogwart the Antagonist. It's really COOL!
I see a kink in this however
should you want the porn, Aylia WILL eventually come around to the idea and be giving lots of positive feedback to the players desires. Bogwart sounds like he might not ever do the same. In other words, Bogwart may not be truly overcomable as an antagonist
The best thing for a player who wants Aylia unmolested could get from Bogwart is to have him become a true friend who doesn't try to underhandedly get her naked, someone she can rely on to respect her. Coaxing the good goblin out of Bogwart after hours of playtime would be extremely satisfying. And I'm not saying that he bends to Aylia's wishes and is forced to change, I'm talking about a real genuine desire to be different that comes from in himself, and is merely inspired by spending time with Aylia. He can still be lecherous, but learns to respect Aylia and be less crude, while still making passes at her.
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I've also figured out why he wears on me so bad.
(Jeez I'm talking about Bogwart a lot, but I really do feel he will be the most important character to this game)
It's because at his core, he seems to understand that he is an essential part of the game. He can afford to be annoying, he can afford to not change, because at the end of the day his character is written with the understanding that he'll get a slap on the wrist and go on his merry way to be a hero. This means that nothing Aylia does can truly effect him, she can't truly hurt him because that would interfere with the battle system, she definetly can't leave him behind. He's is a constant buzzing in your ear that you can't do anything about, and HE KNOWS IT.
A normal person would get a beating, and realize that he had crossed a line. Now he might cross that line again, he might never be willing to NOT cross the line, he might do it to push buttons, or to be mean, but he would understand it was there. I never got the feeling that Bogwart even knew there was a line, never even acknowledged it's existence. Why should he, after all he is truly indispensable.
After going back and looking again I realized that the times when he made actual passes at her were not the bad parts, because you took the time to make them interesting. It's all the other pointless drivel he is constantly spewing forth whenever you see a new face, or get a nice non H-CG of Aylia, if he can learn to not cross the line in normal conversation, I will be happy with him.
The only thing the prologue needs is for you to show us that Bogwart gets there is a line, crossing it is fine, being talkative and unlikable is fine, as long as he gets it. If he does, then by extension he will understand that insults or disgust or slaps will come and may try to avoid them (or not who knows). He will also eventually get that people will only put up with so much, and he runs a real risk of Alienating Aylia(wow, was that intentional?) to the point where she won't spend time with him anymore. We as the player know this won't happen, but HE should see the risk eventually.
I can think of one subtle example of this in the game thus far, he calls her a 'Prude', showing he gets she has different standards.
I get that it's the prologue, we can't be having intimate moments and leaps in character development on the first day, but a few more overt hints that he's getting a feel for interacting with Aylia(not necessarily in a GOOD way) would go a long way toward being willing to put up with him.