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Re: Super Slave Maker_Ver0.1 (RPGMAKER VX ACE) (New Release)

Postby SinnersQuill » Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:30 pm

Game has been updated, ver.0.1. Enjoy.
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Re: Super Slave Maker_Ver0.1 (RPGMAKER VX ACE) (New Release)

Postby Darthjake » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:51 pm

The slave does not appear to gain depravity from sex acts, on the stat screen.

I was going to say that the kiss / obedience mechanic was a break even but finally she accepts the kiss and you get 3 obedience for the 2 she loses at night. That and the bunny job gains an additional obedience point.

Not sure how that mechanic will work out, tbh, I got bored doing a kiss in the morning, taking to work then then rinse, wash and repeat, just to break even on the cost of upkeep to keep the slave to the point where she is actually gaining obedience instead of breaking even. And that was just grinding gold to get the bunny uniform. It might be a good idea to allow a "regular" maid outfit to do the hotel job as well unless by the time you get there you expect the slaves to be getting good use on those sexy maid uniforms, and I do mean on, not in them.

Keep on going you'll get it fine tuned.
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Re: Super Slave Maker_Ver0.1 (RPGMAKER VX ACE) (New Release)

Postby SinnersQuill » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:32 am

Darthjake Wrote:The slave does not appear to gain depravity from sex acts, on the stat screen.

I was going to say that the kiss / obedience mechanic was a break even but finally she accepts the kiss and you get 3 obedience for the 2 she loses at night. That and the bunny job gains an additional obedience point.

Not sure how that mechanic will work out, tbh, I got bored doing a kiss in the morning, taking to work then then rinse, wash and repeat, just to break even on the cost of upkeep to keep the slave to the point where she is actually gaining obedience instead of breaking even. And that was just grinding gold to get the bunny uniform. It might be a good idea to allow a "regular" maid outfit to do the hotel job as well unless by the time you get there you expect the slaves to be getting good use on those sexy maid uniforms, and I do mean on, not in them.

Keep on going you'll get it fine tuned.


Thanks for the feedback, Darthjake, it's always insightful. I'll be sure to tweak the obedience mechanics, though for the next update I want to have something for the players to do when the slave is working - mostly to avoid what you've noted above.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby SinnersQuill » Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:58 am

Updated!!!
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby keradi01 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:57 am

So uh, I found an issue. Sometimes when going into the equipment menu, it can trap you and prevent you from backing out of it. Even if there isn't much reason to go into that menu, it still is fairly easy to open it by accident and can be a bit of a problem if it forces you to start all over again or lose a lot of progress. I don't know what triggers it though.

Also, what is with the starting gold given to you? It appears that the main way to gain money in the game is to have your slave work jobs, but she refuses to follow you if you don't buy her clothes. Since the cheapest set of clothing in the store is 500 gp, it means you have to work up the money just to get your slave to work up money; the starting money from the guild doesn't even pay for half that amount. Maybe the idea is to raise obedience up to the point where she follows you out naked anyway, but then why would there be an option to work by yourself available from the start for 25 gp? Are we supposed to just work at that slave place for the 25 gp per job a whole bunch just to get your slave to do that basic function for you? After all, it feels odd to pad out so much time slowly grinding up the money to do something most slave games allow you to do from the very start.

Granted, I just started so perhaps there is something I missed.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby SinnersQuill » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:05 pm

I double posted because I have the dumb dumb.

i iz sorry :(
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby SinnersQuill » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:05 pm

keradi01 Wrote:So uh, I found an issue. Sometimes when going into the equipment menu, it can trap you and prevent you from backing out of it. Even if there isn't much reason to go into that menu, it still is fairly easy to open it by accident and can be a bit of a problem if it forces you to start all over again or lose a lot of progress. I don't know what triggers it though.

Also, what is with the starting gold given to you? It appears that the main way to gain money in the game is to have your slave work jobs, but she refuses to follow you if you don't buy her clothes. Since the cheapest set of clothing in the store is 500 gp, it means you have to work up the money just to get your slave to work up money; the starting money from the guild doesn't even pay for half that amount. Maybe the idea is to raise obedience up to the point where she follows you out naked anyway, but then why would there be an option to work by yourself available from the start for 25 gp? Are we supposed to just work at that slave place for the 25 gp per job a whole bunch just to get your slave to do that basic function for you? After all, it feels odd to pad out so much time slowly grinding up the money to do something most slave games allow you to do from the very start.

Granted, I just started so perhaps there is something I missed.


No idea about the equip glitch, I'll have to look into that - and thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Now, let's talk about the changes to jobs. The predominate reason I've done it like that is so you can work on obedience. If you notice, doing jobs as the slaver doesn't take up much stamina - only 10. You have 80 to play with so there is a large amount of wiggle room. I grant you that it is a bit grindy, but I wanted to implement it that ways mostly as a means of introduction and most encourage player to work with their slave or explore options. Remember, you working is not the best way to make money.

You can gamble that money - save spamming if you really must. You could purchase the whip, the ballgag, or buy a draft of obedience, or you could kiss and work with the slave. You can punish her, that's another option. I mean really, this is your first challenge in the game.

I try to give you options to approach the situation however you wish to. In later updates - probably around the time I add in the second slave to train. This is going to play into the actual world and how people react to you - but that's something I'll discuss in greater detail nearer to the time.

One of the things I really want to try and do is caught the character's personalities and I can't really see Nami willing to walk out naked - maybe if she were Ryoko? Anway, I do appreciate the feedback and I will keep your comments in mind when I work on the next update :)
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby rpgfan650 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:37 pm

For me, it seems like the master/slaver/guild member has to save a large sum of money before getting your first slave. That 25 a day fee killed my first attempt.

I work the job with the mistress becoming heartless. Beware guild slaves. This slaver has become your worst nightmare. Obey or die.

Gambling is not a part time job. No reason to play the game going this route.

The PC has a large sum of money. Why become a guild member, invest that money into a business.

As the game is now, I only have negative emotions for it.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby SinnersQuill » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:37 am

rpgfan650 Wrote:For me, it seems like the master/slaver/guild member has to save a large sum of money before getting your first slave. That 25 a day fee killed my first attempt.

I work the job with the mistress becoming heartless. Beware guild slaves. This slaver has become your worst nightmare. Obey or die.

Gambling is not a part time job. No reason to play the game going this route.

The PC has a large sum of money. Why become a guild member, invest that money into a business.

As the game is now, I only have negative emotions for it.


I'm sorry to hear that.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby rpgfan650 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:29 am

SinnersQuill Wrote:
rpgfan650 Wrote:For me, it seems like the master/slaver/guild member has to save a large sum of money before getting your first slave. That 25 a day fee killed my first attempt.

I work the job with the mistress becoming heartless. Beware guild slaves. This slaver has become your worst nightmare. Obey or die.

Gambling is not a part time job. No reason to play the game going this route.

The PC has a large sum of money. Why become a guild member, invest that money into a business.

As the game is now, I only have negative emotions for it.


I'm sorry to hear that.


I did forget to mention you lose that 25 gold a day even when you don't have possession of the slave/Nami.

I might try this game again when it's more developed because it has potential to be great. I'll wait to see if there is ever a reference to time being displayed on the UI,
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby Wight-Troox » Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:39 pm

Ok I tried this game for a full hour and it doesn't make any sense to me
There's no tutorial so I spent 20 minutes searching everything for what I had to do
I don't understand at all how these stats work, sometimes when I spank her, her obedience goes up and sometimes it goes down
When I want to raise her mood by praising her sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
At one point the games tell me that her agression is too high and therefore I can't do something, which is normal, and tells me that maybe with an item it would work, I have absolutely no clue what that item might be
The town is huge and more than half of it is useless which makes it even more annoying when you don't know what the hell you have to do
The only way I found to earn money is by working for one of the girl which gives me 25 gold each time to a max of 150 a day, since you lose 25 gold per day I can earn 125 gold per day, with that I have to train the slave and buy items, and most of the time you need to work many days to get a single item
It's just too anoying, I think the game can be great and fun, but there's just too many flaws for me to try it now
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby rpgfan650 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:09 pm

Wight-Troox Wrote:Ok I tried this game for a full hour and it doesn't make any sense to me
There's no tutorial so I spent 20 minutes searching everything for what I had to do
I don't understand at all how these stats work, sometimes when I spank her, her obedience goes up and sometimes it goes down
When I want to raise her mood by praising her sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
At one point the games tell me that her agression is too high and therefore I can't do something, which is normal, and tells me that maybe with an item it would work, I have absolutely no clue what that item might be
The town is huge and more than half of it is useless which makes it even more annoying when you don't know what the hell you have to do
The only way I found to earn money is by working for one of the girl which gives me 25 gold each time to a max of 150 a day, since you lose 25 gold per day I can earn 125 gold per day, with that I have to train the slave and buy items, and most of the time you need to work many days to get a single item
It's just too anoying, I think the game can be great and fun, but there's just too many flaws for me to try it now


My first attempt was like that too. There is a building in the dock map that tells you its opened in the evening/dark phase. Its a place to gamble.
My second attempt I spent the 200 on a orb, and forgot to earn the 25 for the guild. Very short attempt. The third attempt was all about earning money, but the guild fees still are deducted when you don't have a slave. This is when I quit and vent some of my frustrations in this forum. The horse is pushing this cart and not pulling it.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby brontanius » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:34 am

going to dl the new version, haven't played it since the post was made first. Interested to see what is different.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby musical74 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:45 am

Honestly the game seems like it has as many pros as cons. The losing 25 gold a day really hurts, more so when you only have 200 gold to start, ways to get more are so limited, and the slave refuses (at least at first) to go out until you give her some clothes - but with the clothes being 500 gold, it's *UGH*. A little tutorial would help a bunch - at least something mentioning *you need to visit the guild first* when you leave, because without knowing what to do or where to go, my thought initially was *now what?*

This has the potential to be great, the pieces for that are there. It just feels like it was rushed a bit and needs a little polish to get things going first.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby Lucky777 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:45 am

TL;DR scrolling friendly
On a whim I'll use a sort of compressed format for this post, so it doesn't take up much space on the page.

Tutorial, yo.
Spoiler (click to show/hide):

Okay so, again, I think Jack O' Nine is really the last word in slavemaking games.
That's not relevant enough to repeat, EXCEPT in how it relates to a tutorial.
Can't fuckin' PLAY that game without a tutorial, near enough, and without at least a basic tutorial, it seems that some peeps are feeling similar about this one.

I saw a couple negative comments about this game, so I hurried to download it before anything was changed, to see what I thought.
I like it.
I... don't really think it's THAT easy to screw up a slavemaking game, and in this case I don't really think it HAS been screwed up.

But what is instinctive to me - especially after seeing how the systems work in Jack-o-nine - isn't necessarily instinctive to others.
What I'm saying is that there needs to be some kind of a guide.
In J9 there was a character who explained the mechanics, and 3 "tutorial challenge" slaves.
That at least needs to be done here at some point, probably, and in at LEAST as much detail.
Even if there's just a character explaining the mechanics, that's perfectly fine, although a hands-on tutorial stage in addition could also be pretty okay.

Now the WIKI is a lot better than the tutorial in just about every way, but that's more for fans to do, unless you as the creator want to take up the double job of
making a wiki AND making a game.


First hour Comments
Spoiler (click to show/hide):

Onto speaking about the game itself, I liked the city layout and everything, but yeah there should probably be something that tells you to seek the Guild.
To the North.
I do like the immersion of wandering about the place, and I'm hoping for an interesting combat system as well, later on.

I discovered that time WITHIN the day is advanced by slaver tiredness.
60 and over seems to be night time, in other words.
That too is something that it'd be nice to be told someway.

Anyway, I didn't feel at ALL like having Nami boss me around, so after she disobeyed a bit, I ground up a whip and whipped her until she killed herself.
...Maybe overdid it a little on the whipping, duly noted, right, okay.
I got a joy orb the next playthrough and stopped at -45 happiness, since SOMETHING told me she'd off herself at -50.

All went well.

(I confirmed by experimentation that she would indeed off herself at -50.
But you can avoid that by praising her just before bed.
It's fine.)

And the Church can lower her stress, fear and aggression, so that's also fine.
It drops sluttiness too, though, which is very unfortunate, so I have to find a way to build that back up.
The bathhouse should PROBABLY raise it, since she can work there naked, but apparently it doesn't.
Maybe the brothel will, but I have to make her beautiful before she can work there, it appears.
Dunno how.
Something connected with the Mirror, maybe.
Well, we'll see.

Lastly, the way I see it, Nami killing herself shouldn't be a game over.
Not by ANY means.
Just get another slave.

(If there aren't any new slaves available in the demo then that could be said, and then you'd get bumped back to the title screen
BECAUSE there wasn't anything else you could possibly do with respect to slave training I guess.)


Bugs:
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---Bugs---

- I tried to have Katalin punish my slave.
The screen went black but when it came back Katalin was gone.
I ended up being unable to do anything I'm pretty sure, because the door to my house is a black hole and I can't enter.
So I can't sleep and progress time.
If that's not a bug, then there's a DEADLY lack of explanation, which is as bad as a bug.

I didn't have my slave with me at the time, but the reason I wanted her to PUNISH the slave is to increase obedience so slave'd accompany me to BEGIN with.

Well, that was before I just bought a whip for 200 and went to town on her, anyway.


- There's a misplaced "you did this today already" in the slave menu.
I ordered her to masturbate one day and then the next day it said I'd done that already.

- I can praise her and raise her mood more than once in a day.
Seems too spammable, since it's free.
In J9 you could praise once per day.


-From anal sex, It should be LIbido, not LAbido.

-- Anal Nami picture stays stuck on the screen. Even after you load back into the game, if you save with it on. That's a problem.

- It says I'm too tired to go out when I have no tiredness.
--Trying to go shopping - Book shop just leaves Nami's picture on the screen.


Summary
To repeat, I like it.
You need a tutorial, and some stuff's gone wrong, but the game's pretty cool and I think it's coming along well.
I'm sure there are lots of other things to say, even about the game in its current very unfinished state, but I'm tired.
I may have another look at it tomorrow or the next day.
I'll probably also read back through the thread at that time to see what I've missed, around that time.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby Darthjake » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:12 am

Good job with the constructive review Lucky, I was trying to figure out how to word it so as not to be negative (hard with the last few days I've had, but there is no reason to beat the dev up over that.)

I look forward to what this game can become.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby SinnersQuill » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:57 am

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll be doing a light release this weekend with the final two Nami sex pictures (Handjob and Anal) and the tutorial which people asked for.

rpgfan650, wight-troox, musical74, thank you for taking the time to play the game and give me your thoughts and experience. I'll use it to improve the game.

DarthJake, I hope your week gets better. Lucky777, thanks for the thorough insight, it was very useful.

I hope you guys will enjoy the next update.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby Lucky777 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:33 pm

Sweet.

Also, look out for things like item descriptions: the Draft of Obedience talks about restoring HP, so I didn't bother buying one despite its name.

I'll probably check out what the items etc do when I give the game a more thorough play.
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby Wight-Troox » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:29 pm

A tutorial is all we need!!
Since there's too many things not explained
But for the part where I said that when I spank her, her obedience goes down or when I praise her sometimes it doesn't work
Can I know if it's intended or I just had a fucked up bug?
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Re: Servus Kingdom ver0.5[Formly Super Slave Maker] (VXACE)

Postby Lucky777 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:14 pm

Hmm.
I played a bit more.
The grind gets way too heavy later on.

Aanyway, as to the tutorial, the character in the guild behind the desk at the door is certainly the right idea, but much more detail is needed.
It could be added to her AND/OR honestly it could be in another one of those key-item books this game is so fond of, some kind of slavers' handbook.
If it's in the handbook additionally, then one can consult it at any place instead of only at the Guild.

Anyway, returning to gameplay, I was about to say that I had given up, and I hadn't found a way to increase sluttiness.

But then the "wake you up with a blowjob" order did it.

That's fine and all, but I feel like having her work somewhere in the SLUTTY maid outfit should increase it as well.
Additionally, rather than having sluttiness be a REQUIREMENT to work in the brothel, I'd have thought brothel work should INCREASE it.
If she's not slutty enough to begin with, then make the obedience requirement higher, but... eh.

*shrugs*

Hmm.
A bit strange that an ordinary blowjob wouldn't increase sluttiness but a morning one would, too.
Some stuff here is not entirely intuitive.

Later on I'll see what the brothel income is.
I hope it's good.
Especially because income from other sources is amazingly weak.
Serving in the bar in the bunnygirl outfit is the best I've found so far, at 100G.
I think income from the upscale restaurant might be very high, but, well, see "bugs" as to that.

EDIT: Oh, Brothel income is 600G. Good, VERY good. That's much better.

--- bugs ---

- Nami seems to disappear if you take her to the upscale restaurant/hotel in the northwest and speak to the work NPC there.
I went there because the fucking Maid uniform cost 1K G but only gave back 60G in the little shop in the shopping square area.
Gave back LESS than the 500G Bunnygirl outfit!
I thought I got hella ripped off, but then I figured she'd fit right in amongst the rich folk and come home with >200G.
Seemed like a great idea buuuuuuuut
Instead she just disappeared.

I got her back by going home and clicking the "stop following me" clothes stand, but then other workplaces didn't notice she existed.

Fortunately I didn't save with her in her disappeared state.

- If you have your slave work at the bathouse, and then click relax while she's working, you get the misleading and inaccurate message that your slave's stress,
aggression and fear have been lowered.
While she's working, they aren't.
They only get lowered when she's right there with you.
I mean, that makes SENSE, so the bug is just the MESSAGE in this case.
-- Maybe also the fact that your own negative stats don't get lowered by the relax, if they don't.
I'm not sure if they do.

-Talking to Miara when your slave is working gives you different dialogue and the option to "spend time", which will perma-black-screen your game.

----Conclusion---

I think I've done everything I wish to do in the game in this state at this point, though I'll wander around a bit more and see if that's the case.
I'll also pass some time and see if there's any sale at the end of 60 days or what.
Having looked at the notes in the beginning the only thing I am displeased about is the idea that the "true" canon ending is returning Nami instead of selling.
Ah well.
*shrugs*

Regardless of displeasure with canon, the need for a tutorial, some unintuitive things, low wages, and some bugs, I'm pretty sure I've come to a final conclusion:

So far, it's a way I'm pleased to have spent my time.
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