Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 3.48 (Nov 2/18) - HIATUS

[Ivan-Aedler]

Yeah I haven't written that scene and that's a ways off.

Ok no problem!

Is that really the reason?

Fantasy. Puberty desires. The saint graal of innocence and discovery.

They all don't have to be curse. Heck from what I got in my head, technically this isn't the case as Peach could be the only one unaffected by all of this. Although also considering what I have, this might be only affected towards the Mushroom Kingdom, specifically the castle, and that might lead into some problems considering what spell that Kamek used in the first place. Whoops. Also, Kamek uses straight up magic, no incense, no earth-based stuff, just triangles, circles and squares to do his work. Why? It's magic, I don't have to explain it.

Thats it, I agree. Why explain so much? Sometimes we try to explain the Universe creation so much. There are things are are just mystery.

And 'afrodisiac' has me thinking, there's something that can be attracting to afros? That's kinda awesome.

The etimology might explain something.

Yeah, I could potentially buy the fact that a princess or queen going around nude if she has the power, authority, and/or personality to pull off such a feat, because if she has the power, let her do it! From what you're saying, I just can't buy into the fact with Peach, because it's Peach! The one girl that's gets constantly kidnapped by Bowser, who is the butt in feminism jokes, and is usually not a role model that people look to emulate. Plus I don't really feel much connection with her, other than just being your regular damsel in distress. If she has more of a character to her than just being that, I could feel more of a connection.

The fact is, Peach is the ruler, be she naivy, ditzy, 'the butt' or 'the skirt', in Don Pianta's mind. Its her castle, and she had power to save Mario once, in 'Super Princess Peach' game. The fact is, she does embarassing things and that's one of the main plots that makes the game special (for those who like the ENF theme, of course).

And then her personality comes off as too naive, something that I don't see fitting for Peach in this style of thing. Now this can work, but with how Peach is behaving in this game and how you feel about this theme, yeah I just can't feel invested in this.

Everything can be explained without too much struggle. There were some Peach novels in fanfictions that relates her to an innocent woman asking toads to pleasure her. I remember I've talked about it once, hundreds of pages before. There, Peach slowly grabbed Toads's hand upon his arriving, then played with his dick, while her eyes are looking at his, with embarassment. The toad for sure was embarassed, but Peach too. She wanted it so much. Peach was like Alice. Too bad that fanfiction just disappeared from the web. The fact is, Peach is ditzy, she ends up in trouble (being kidnapped so many times) but she is still the ruler, the queen wannabee. So yes, the current theme works. I need more scenes, like the three toads who steal her clothes, and the scene where Peach goes inside Toadette's room and plays with her cummed knickers. Peach has dirty desires.....she is discovering that. Its up for the player to keep discovering things and having sex until being a nymph (or a whore, its up to the player's mind really). Or the player can do everything to retain her innocence. Thats not hard to understand.

It's just that I really don't see how there's any sort of respect in all of this. This is about embarrassment, which I get that it can work for humorous situations (Peach and Toadsworth at the beginning of the game), but I just can't see it working sexually.

Have you read NANAKO story? Cage and Tag by Suherihogari? Although SOME (just some!) of those comic pages show some humilliation (and even crying), the girls there ends up loving the situation of being naked. In some comics, a given woman ends up as an exhibitionist, walking around naked and embarassed with her pussy dripping while the entire school waves to her: 'Hi my dear naked dirty teacher!'.
This is woooooooooonderful! You have really to understand the enticement. Those are fantasy after all. But again, you are not obligated to like it, or to feel it right.

Just to note, my girl is thirteen years old in that story. And you want me to have her do sexual things out in public with strangers in contrived situations, and then have them to have respect for her after all of that? Yeah, that's going to get a big fat no from me. Although I do need to respect some fantasy because how else would I maintain a world if I'm not doing a deconstruction?

If the problem is her age, make her adult. Or let her as is (13), without the sexual thing, as you are already making and I am saying again that's fine. I like your theme. Or if you want to 'go ahead', you can create the loli type of girl, a chibi, but of course, this trespasses some boundaries. In some countries, those are illegal, even being fantasy, so dont bother, again you DONT need to make the 13years old girl do sexual things. Even softcores like pussy sniffing.

Or you can check the Wiki out and view what enemies appeared there. It wouldn't hurt to look...

I've seen some. Most of enemies are paper like. I can research more in order to find a more 'flesh like' enemy, or you can do that first. I am making Birdo scene 5 right now, I'm trying to gain time, while I still have that creativity. :/

The Axem Rangers are already humanoid, at least from the neck down. And since what I have in mind for them is much more human in structure, and that there is something that can be removed from their crotches, it works out. Although why make them "fleshy?" I get doing that down below, but they're robots. At least with that they got a freaking lot of stamina and can pretty much gang-bang Peach forever... and if that's the case, then why not throw in the other bosses from SMRPG, including Smithy himself?

Because we will end up with a horde of enemy types. We just need some of them, right? The Axem Rangers would be interesting because of the different gangbang scenes that might be possible. Just imagine one of them (a complex one), where each Peach hole is used (3 guys) ,then the female one playing with her breasts. In the animation, we could see their naked flesh body rubbing hers. We could also see them all removing their clothes (being all stark naked). The idea of fleshy bodies is an old one, since I started to make new enemies (Hawk Hawk, Monty Mole, Mallow...)

Yeah, but too much freedom is also not a good thing. Trust me, having too much freedom on a project can make the final product not great as well. Just because you think it's great doesn't mean that it is.

Thats when you guys come in (like you) and we are now having a good discussion to address these. I am always all ears. I've never said 'I wont talk about it'. Try to search for phrases like this in this thread. If you find me saying I wont discuss about a given thing, I will give you a cookie.

(About the reasons of Cherbil - 1,2,3,4) That's not really much purpose. Like what I was thinking is that maybe Dimentio has left something open that allows these creatures to come in and take over.

Do I need to make him to let it clear? Why not the Bumpty saying that instead?

But is there a reason for Dimentio to be in this game?

The same answer above.

It's just that I'm thinking of practical reasons for such creatures to exist, instead of the anesthetic reasons. Also, "fleshy" is kinda a bull crap reason. Bob-ombs, Dry Bones, Chomps and Chompette, Clefts, Boos, Flurries and Bullet Bills have no flesh to them (besides the interior of Chomps) so why do you have them if you like flesh so much.

Because they're classical enemies.

In fact, is there a reason Geno is human, along with looking sort of terrifying as well, besides the reason you like flesh?

People like him so far. Some even said: 'WOW, go Geno!'. 'Geno has a great dick'. Its not me that 'like' flesh. Peach does And many people prefer that.
But hmmmmmm hmmmmmmm I think I can make him wood. Its not so 'obligatory' for him to be human. If the reason is to make him the 'real Geno' since SMRPG, okay.
Its just a matter to remove 'belly muscles' and some drawings on him and substitute with wood art, like the toad house doors. But I still want people talking about it.
If I make a voting pool JUST TO CHECK, are you going to argue against?

From what I understand, previously you were. Nowadays it's more or less people feeding you ideas so you can get them into the game rather than us actually discussing them.

We dont need to discuss everything for days along, like a pure bureocracy, do we? And how we could get the game finished with good scenes sooner if so? Quality doesnt mean everything have to be discussed for weeks and weeks, and worse, only regarding me and you...sometimes Quiz (when he is more active), and Darthan (he is much more absent those days). We need more people to discuss. We dont need 1000 people in the team, but we need conceillors. More people discussing what really matters, with 'why's.

And you put in stuff that isn't what I was talking about. If you try to understand what we're trying to say, then you don't need to add or change our quotes to your understanding.

I still need to add those placeholders, but not inside your quotes anymore, okay?

It's not a matter of discussing ideas, it's more for its reason for being in the game.

Pregnancy and 'Cumdumpster' effect. One of the fetishes people like.
Oh! Belly will be ON/OFF. I just havent put it yet. So, with Belly 'OFF', the game returns to normal, like the belly never existed.

Yeah, it'll be a while before I'll get back into this, hopefully when we finally come to an understanding, the game will have better management, and the quality will improve greatly!

Yes. And this time we must communicate more to avoid misunderstandings. And just a side note, I can bet you guys talked without my presence about things that didnt exist about my behavior (Ivan being this and that). Be careful about gossips! I am not saying you get one, or said about one, but again, communication is the key. I am a peaceful person who loves to discuss, since the beginning of this project. And I work with love. The 'swimming' thing is NOT to say 'I want to be alone', but rather 'I must keep on'. Its the PERSEVERANCE idea

Of course, but that does depend on what's being added. Like Belome having his official art changed into something else.

So you started to dislike things since that time? Ouch! I havent known that. Again, lack of communication. Well, depending on the situation and the plausible reasons to make him have a terrible monster look (aside of retaining originality) I can make him have 4 eyes again.

That is understandable. With how certain creatures are in the games and how certain people are turned off by this, it would make sense to have a feature that could toggle this. It is just one one thing that I can get behind, while the others... yeah I'm not entirely sure of. Those are just fetishes that a lot of people are not into and if I were in charge of this, I wouldn't put them in at all. I just see no reason for it other than appealing to those who like the feature.

I dont see any problem. Put them OFF, and be happy.

The way I see it, I rather see features that are going to add on to the gameplay, not add in new fap material. That's just how I see it. If I want new features, I want it to be something of value, something that will be good to play the game

Something that doesnt need ON/OFF. I see.....but who are saying those wont be done? How's about the kissing feature? That one wont be ON/OFF. But people can skip them (e.g not kissing friends like toads to receive hearts).

I'm not going to play this game because it has vore or bigger bellies, I want to play a game that allows me to control Peach and occasionally have sex with someone.

You are saying according to your opinions and I respect it. As for me, yeah, I'll play this game because it has tender vore and bigger bellies
As for controlling Peach (with new poses) and different sex scenes, I was always working with those since the beginning. You just are not valueing those (I might be wrong). Thats because you are not working with me side by side, in the game lab, for example. There are many features added (those that could please you) but you are affected by those other things you dont like. Thats it.

I already got a ton of stuff roaming in my head, so it's likely I won't know everything.

We are discussing them. Belome and Geno being an human for example. Glad you remembered to talk about them. There are more? They will come out eventually.

I have no jurisdiction on this, it's probably better to talk to Quiz about this since he's the one who suggested it. Although, if it is that hard, then why not do it? If you do, then you'll be done with it and you don't have to worry about it later on. Plus with newer enemies added in, it'll be much easier to do than just doing everyone at once. Less work, I guess.

Actually playing with that code doenst have anything to do with game complexity or the current progress. But be sure, working on it right now WILL throw some bugs that might make me work for days or even weeks. I just dont want to be stressed here, with people saying Peach is not in lingerie mode, or Peach is not losing her lingerie.
Oh!!! And thats make me remember. I still need to implement panties (in the game) then Bras. Those are expected to be in the game, with or without the new hit algorithm. Making them will at least make the lingerie mode more near to be completed, sooner or later, then I can think about the new algorithm.

I mean the reasons to not allow certain things into the game, that's what.

I give reasons for them, and some of them are tied with the concepts I wanted in this game, and of course, my own fetishes. Along our discussion, you are seeing my opinions like above.

Yeah, I don't think it is Skype's fault at all. I think there's a much bigger issue here than someone not coming in and saying 'what's up?'

I dont have a crystal ball. That saying will be my moto.

Like yghhd suggesting the idea of allowing Peach to have sex with babies fresh out of her own womb?

Did I accept it?

I wasn't that great in the beginning, but I still have a better quality story than what's being produce now on FFN, so... yeah, I'm not that reckless. It's just I suck at tenses, failing to check for missing words, and sometimes just make regular mistakes.

So I need to be 101% perfect?

That does depend on how you view the characters. How I see it... well, Toadsworth would be blowing his cap off the moment he realize what Peach is doing in his game, locks her in her room, and probably give her a rash scolding about all of this, not the casual Toadsworth that doesn't give a crap that he doesn't have his pants on.

Toadsworth can be one of those toads that were affected by the aphrodisiac, right? Even if not, Toadsworth is expected to teach her sex lessons in order to make her 'aware' of the risk of sex, and to 'try' to make her decent. But he are doing this because he has his nasty side. Like some of his Palcomix comics, and even Quiz agreed to it.

Yeah I get that he's old and under stress, definitely caused by the princess, so him telling her to "use her body" in the current form is not really the best suggestion he should be giving her. But then we wouldn't have a game, right?

Quiz made this dialogue, could you believe? Go talk to him if we need to change it, and I'll be happily doing it, if for a good cause of a better quality script.
Thank you for the discussion. See? I like discussions.

[Ivan-Aedler]

If you must know its because i love you guys here, hell if anyone else needs help id love to contribute. These games are epic and just keep me looking forward to the next update

Thats the minimum I can do for people who can help Enthusiasm blows towards the sky! The many possibilities this game has, with the almost unlimited world of Flash (I haven' even used 50% of its limits), so I could make 340 scenes and 82 levels without reaching the limit! (in theory!!!) I always know people prefer scene richness, since the beginning. I am doing what I promised. See you, Great man!

Oh. I see...I guess I will make some World 6 levels then. Don't you have "New Booster's Tower"? Isn't that going to be part of the World 6 levels?

Yes, the casino level. I might put it in world 4 because the Booster tower lies in the forest. And people like VintageBass will argue again (lets be frank, at heart we are really trying to make the game more akin to classic Mario, really, thats why I may not put the Booster Tower in Delfino Island, ALTHOUGH I can create a small forest area in this world).

[HeroOfLight]

Will there be an android port? I've tried to play it using Photon Browser, but because of the lack of certain keys on the touch screen keyboard, it is a very long and grueling process.

[Darthan]

We dont need to discuss everything for days along, like a pure bureocracy, do we? And how we could get the game finished with good scenes sooner if so? Quality doesnt mean everything have to be discussed for weeks and weeks, and worse, only regarding me and you...sometimes Quiz (when he is more active), and Darthan (he is much more absent those days). We need more people to discuss. We dont need 1000 people in the team, but we need conceillors. More people discussing.

To be honest Ivan, I check here on a daily basis but quit commenting because it had gotten to the point that I felt that there was no purpose to me voicing my opinion. It seemed to me, and likely the rest of the "team", that once a discussion started about a topic you had already made your decision and the odds of us changing your mind where slim to none.

It also began to feel to me that there was really no point to the "team" other than to make stuff for you to add to the game because the opinions of the "anons" (people not part of the team) seemed to have much more value to you than the opinions of your "team". The whole point in having a team is to combine different needed skills and allow discussion when making decisions, this did not seem to be happening.

I would also like to point out that I have not actually played this game for an extremely long time do to the horrible hit algorithm. I tend to be on of those people that play games in a different way than most people, often times even the creator, intend it to be played. It gets really annoying when I try to jump on an enemy to squash it and am constantly winding up in a scene because what I think should be me stumping the enemy and what actually is are two different things. Your argument that you are putting it off because it will take a lot of time to fix is in my opinion a bunch of crap. That would be kinda like making a FPS that you can shoot someone but not have it count because the hit algorithm doesn't work right and then have the creator tell you they aren't going to fix it till the game is complete because it will take too long to fix. It is a key mechanic of the game it needs to be fixed.

Sorry if I came off as kind of a dick but it was getting kind of annoying that you kept saying that we had abandoned you when, at least to me, it felt like we had been abandoned a long time ago.

[Ivan-Aedler]

Birdo scene 5 almost done. I'll try to send still tonight.
Just to tell people I am working like crazy tonight, while having good discussions here.

Will there be an android port? I've tried to play it using Photon Browser, but because of the lack of certain keys on the touch screen keyboard, it is a very long and grueling process.

Which keys you need to make it work? I can create a keyboard config just for it if necessary.
Sorry but making an android port is out of the question until the game is completed and I start another project. Why? Because converting it will have risk of many bugs appearing, making me go towards a nightmare of weeks and months making it bug free (or almost free).

To be honest Ivan, I check here on a daily basis but quit commenting because it had gotten to the point that I felt that there was no purpose to me voicing my opinion. It seemed to me, and likely the rest of the "team", that once a discussion started about a topic you had already made your decision and the odds of us changing your mind where slim to none.

Thats not true, even if it appears so. Since the Birdo changes (I still prefered the classic one, but anyways), I was listening to people. And If I added you as a team member, that was because I have truth in you, and I was waiting for you to bug me more (in a positive way) to make me listen to you. I am a busy man, thats a real truth, and I need to work sometimes at night, in my office, to survive. I live in a rented apartament (ok that's a matter that doesnt matter here anyway, but It can explain why I am stressed sometimes in a way I rush to things).

It also began to feel to me that there was really no point to the "team" other than to make stuff for you to add to the game because the opinions of the "anons" (people not part of the team) seemed to have much more value to you than the opinions of your "team".

Again not true. I would never ignore voting polls because I was a lurker before, and I want to listen to them.

The whole point in having a team is to combine different needed skills and allow discussion when making decisions, this did not seem to be happening.

It is. SK was used for it, it was going on well! Until the end of 2013 (maybe a bit earlier). Skills Quiz have, for example: he's a GREAT scripter. He did many scenes I am still implementing. He had the idea of a shadow area (a toad house without lights). I've made it. Then the Charlieton scene. I've made it. There are many things I agreed upon. Then we needed to change the dialogues, because you are convinced they need work. But I cant be many guys at once, so I am still waiting for him (and maybe Vintage) to work on them. If they cant on time, no problem. I am not forcing them to make it quickly. But anyway, I end up alone all the time. People have busy lives, even myself. But I am enticed to complete this game. This is different.

I would also like to point out that I have not actually played this game for an extremely long time do to the horrible hit algorithm. I tend to be on of those people that play games in a different way than most people, often times even the creator, intend it to be played. It gets really annoying when I try to jump on an enemy to squash it and am constantly winding up in a scene because what I think should be me stumping the enemy and what actually is are two different things. Your argument that you are putting it off because it will take a lot of time to fix is in my opinion a bunch of crap.

THAT is not regarding 'hit algorithm', but rather 'hit physics code'. And I can admit, they're not 100% , but at least on my tests, I always jump on them correctly, without bugs. Of course there are some that will hurt Peach instead, like the spikes in Gritty goombas.

If this bug still happens, PLEASE MAKE ME REPRODUCE IT. Thats it.

That would be kinda like making a FPS that you can shoot someone but not have it count because the hit algorithm doesn't work right and then have the creator tell you they aren't going to fix it till the game is complete because it will take too long to fix. It is a key mechanic of the game it needs to be fixed.

I answered above.

Sorry if I came off as kind of a dick but it was getting kind of annoying that you kept saying that we had abandoned you when, at least to me, it felt like we had been abandoned a long time ago.

Not the truth. But again, we are arguing things that can be understood in a lovely way. I understand you being harsh in your post. I am here just looking peacefully, trying to understand. I am limited, I am not a perfect person anyway. What I recommend here is to use those threads more, PM me more (as a team member), or better, SK, but since I've had a terrible experience with it, I am not going to SK any time soon.

[Darthan]

I would also like to point out that until Vintage made a comment about Skype when quoting one of your lines about SK I had no idea what the hell you where talking about. I will also point out that I have not and likely never will use Skype.

Thats not true, even if it appears so. Since the Birdo changes (I still prefered the classic one, but anyways), I was listening to people. And If I added you as a team member, that was because I have truth in you, and I was waiting for you to bug me more (in a positive way) to make me listen to you. I am a busy man, thats a real truth, and I need to work sometimes at night, in my office, to survive. I live in a rented apartament (ok that's a matter that doesn't matter here anyway, but It can explain why I am stressed sometimes in a way I rush to things).

I can point to many different times that someone made a suggestion that pretty much the entire team thought was unnecessary or didn't need to be added but you thought was a good idea and things seemed to devolve into an argument until you just pushed it off until later.

I hate to say it but I really don't have any way that I can bug you in a positive way because it has gotten to the point where I don't really have anything positive to say anymore. The two biggest problems I have are the above mentioned hit detection, largely caused by the jump animation when running full speed (still can't figure out where I will actually be landing and constantly run into enemies instead of stomping them or falling into pits instead of landing on platforms), and the text. I understand that English is not your first language but I am pretty good at figuring out bad English but there are times that I have no idea what you are trying to get across.

I know that both Quiz and Vintage had offered to help with scripts but it seemed to me that they were not getting the data they needed (Vintage), or had made changes that just never got added in (Quiz). And before you ask me to point out places that I have no idea what you are trying to get across in the text I will once again tell you that I have not played this game in a very long time, for previously mentioned reasons, as in several months. I cannot remember things from that long ago.

[Ivan-Aedler]

I would also like to point out that until Vintage made a comment about Skype when quoting one of your lines about SK I had no idea what the hell you where talking about. I will also point out that I have not and likely never will use Skype

No problem, I kindly understand : ) Let's go on.

I can point to many different times that someone made a suggestion that pretty much the entire team thought was unnecessary or didn't need to be added but you thought was a good idea and things seemed to devolve into an argument until you just pushed it off until later.

There are things I wanted so bad in the game. The problem (if any) is that people didnt convince me enough. I also cant agree with everyone everytime, otherwise the game will be different from what I conceived. This doesnt imply I dont want to add new features or discuss about plots. Thats why I created the ON/OFF idea. This came off being good for many people. I want to use them in order to please people who has different ideas, inside or outside of the team.

I hate to say it but I really don't have any way that I can bug you in a positive way because it has gotten to the point where I don't really have anything positive to say anymore.

Well, sorry about that, really. If you think you have exhausted positive or even negative things, I can do nothing other than stimulate you back and remind you YOU are participating and changing things in the game, once you really discuss about, with peace of mind and comprehension.

The two biggest problems I have are the above mentioned hit detection, largely caused by the jump animation when running full speed (still can't figure out where I will actually be landing and constantly run into enemies instead of stomping them or falling into pits instead of landing on platforms), and the text

Hmmmmm..... jumping when running at the top speed, huh? You say when Peach is about to fly but she isnt a raccoon yet? Maybe because she is landing with the 'flying' pose (foot behind her), sometimes changing to the descending pose (foot straight down)? See? Depending on the way people relates to a bug in a more descriptive way, I can reproduce it then fix it. What I cant do is discover the bug like I have..(my moto) a crystal ball.

I understand that English is not your first language but I am pretty good at figuring out bad English but there are times that I have no idea what you are trying to get across.

Enlist them here (you will be helping me TONS) with possible fixes and I'll do that immediatelly.

I know that both Quiz and Vintage had offered to help with scripts but it seemed to me that they were not getting the data they needed (Vintage), or had made changes that just never got added in (Quiz).

Lack of time and priorities being levels and scenes. They cant say 'nothing was done' because its not the truth. Charlieton scene, Toadsworth scenes, Bobomb Buddy scenes, almost all toad dialogues in the castle and some goomba scenes were already changed. Its still on progress and I only have some toadsworth dialogues to be improved and the other goomba ones.

And before you ask me to point out places that I have no idea what you are trying to get across in the text I will once again tell you that I have not played this game in a very long time, for previously mentioned reasons, as in several months. I cannot remember things from that long ago.

You can go back to it anytime you want, and you ARE valuable here as a member once you talk with enthusiasm, believing I DO LISTEN to people, the team having preference over the outside people. But I listen to outside people, because I was one!

See you great man

[VintageBass]

Is that really the reason?

Fantasy. Puberty desires. The saint graal of innocence and discovery.

Aren't you older than me? How can you still have pubescent desires? Weird

Thats it, I agree. Why explain so much? Sometimes we try to explain the Universe creation so much. There are things are are just mystery.

And sometimes there needs to be an explanation to the madness. At least I'm not fully explaining why this is happening, but at least, to us the creators, that we know what is going on and that it makes sense! Plus what I said is already in the game, what with Kamek casting the aphrodisiac spell across the place. There's no real mystery behind that, other than WHY he is doing this, but I'm sure anyone can figure out why.

And 'afrodisiac' has me thinking, there's something that can be attracting to afros? That's kinda awesome.

The etimology might explain something.

That and I like to have fun with misspelled words.

The fact is, Peach is the ruler, be she naivy, ditzy, 'the butt' or 'the skirt', in Don Pianta's mind. Its her castle, and she had power to save Mario once, in 'Super Princess Peach' game. The fact is, she does embarassing things and that's one of the main plots that makes the game special (for those who like the ENF theme, of course).

Yeah, some of those jokes are from that game. Saving Mario and friends with the powers of bipolar, tears and spinning! I get it, but really that's not all that embarrassing... in fact, I'm sure if you say that, you'll probably get blasted off from one of her angry stomps. And speaking of SPP, where's Perry?

he wanted it so much. Peach was like Alice.

Now are we talking original Alice, animated Disney Alice, American McGee's Alice, Alan Moore's Alice, or the live action Disney Alice? And you're saying that Peach is the most sane woman in this crazy world?

Too bad that fanfiction just disappeared from the web.

Probably during FFN's movement to remove adult stories from their site. Not that I can't blame them, there are some terrible lemons there that don't really count as stories... same goes for probably most of the site. Sturgeon's Law sucks hard sometimes.

The fact is, Peach is ditzy, she ends up in trouble (being kidnapped so many times) but she is still the ruler, the queen wannabee. So yes, the current theme works. I need more scenes, like the three toads who steal her clothes, and the scene where Peach goes inside Toadette's room and plays with her cummed knickers. Peach has dirty desires.....she is discovering that. Its up for the player to keep discovering things and having sex until being a nymph (or a whore, its up to the player's mind really). Or the player can do everything to retain her innocence. Thats not hard to understand.

Probably, it's just I don't care for Peach as a character. I know I bring up Daisy because of my own likes, but from what we are doing with her, it fits more with her than Peach. Sure, I'm fine with Peach keeping her innocence, but it's a little hard to ignore the fact that Peach is a bit of a walking contradiction in this game. So bad, that Pearl Fey would be calling "OBJECTION!" on you.

Have you read NANAKO story? Cage and Tag by Suherihogari? Although SOME (just some!) of those comic pages show some humilliation (and even crying), the girls there ends up loving the situation of being naked. In some comics, a given woman ends up as an exhibitionist, walking around naked and embarassed with her pussy dripping while the entire school waves to her: 'Hi my dear naked dirty teacher!'.
This is woooooooooonderful! You have really to understand the enticement. Those are fantasy after all. But again, you are not obligated to like it, or to feel it right.

I still prefer the idea of treating other genders equally. I don't see why I want to enjoy the idea of forcing a woman to do such, even if in the end she likes it. I don't really think she loves it, it's just a mask showing that she's happy, while inside she's hurting.

If the problem is her age, make her adult. Or let her as is (13), without the sexual thing, as you are already making and I am saying again that's fine. I like your theme. Or if you want to 'go ahead', you can create the loli type of girl, a chibi, but of course, this trespasses some boundaries. In some countries, those are illegal, even being fantasy, so dont bother, again you DONT need to make the 13years old girl do sexual things. Even softcores like pussy sniffing.

Oh I can make her adult any time, but it'll be extremely weird that she suddenly shot up several years in age... then again, I think this'll be a first for that considering the fandom I'm writing in. But still, I like that she's not sexual, I'm happy to make her asexual, and I'm going to keep her that way until I decide that it's OK for her to finally become (insert boy name here)-sexual (I like this term). Although it's her I don't feel comfortable with. Everyone else is fair game!

Or you can check the Wiki out and view what enemies appeared there. It wouldn't hurt to look...

I've seen some. Most of enemies are paper like. I can research more in order to find a more 'flesh like' enemy, or you can do that first. I am making Birdo scene 5 right now, I'm trying to gain time, while I still have that creativity. :/

Well you are making a Mario porn game. It always helps to look at the Wiki and see what you are doing is right. It really does.

Because we will end up with a horde of enemy types. We just need some of them, right? The Axem Rangers would be interesting because of the different gangbang scenes that might be possible. Just imagine one of them (a complex one), where each Peach hole is used (3 guys) ,then the female one playing with her breasts. In the animation, we could see their naked flesh body rubbing hers. We could also see them all removing their clothes (being all stark naked).

Again, they're machine. They aren't like any regular sentai team where they can transform back to their civilian form. By the by, you know that comment I made on Skype about Power Rangers and you said that has nothing to do with the game? Axem Rangers / Power Rangers. See anything in that? And I mentioned this before, with the form I want for them, they mentioned that they were given new bodies built by Smity himself, meaning that they're still using machine bodies, and in one scene Yellow was shown to have a metallic interior. It's dark, but they're still machines.

Also, while looking up to see if there is any of their bodies (and thankfully there is plenty of), I found something wonderful... and I'm excited that someone is continuing on with SMBZ! Sure it's not the main story, but hey at least it's probably to be as kickass as the first series!

The idea of fleshy bodies is an old one, since I started to make new enemies (Hawk Hawk, Monty Mole, Mallow...)

OK, Rawk Hawk and Monty Mole, sure, even if Rawk Hawk is more feathery than fleshy, but Mallow is a cloud-like being. Where's the flesh? He's all fluff!

Do I need to make him to let it clear? Why not the Bumpty saying that instead?

I was thinking that they could say "Princess, do you notice those pink balls hanging on the trees? Do you have any idea how they got there?" The Bumpties probably don't have an idea what they are or how they got there.

But is there a reason for Dimentio to be in this game?

The same answer above.

Or we can discuss it when it's time to add him in the game.

It's just that I'm thinking of practical reasons for such creatures to exist, instead of the anesthetic reasons. Also, "fleshy" is kinda a bull crap reason. Bob-ombs, Dry Bones, Chomps and Chompette, Clefts, Boos, Flurries and Bullet Bills have no flesh to them (besides the interior of Chomps) so why do you have them if you like flesh so much.

Because they're classical enemies.

Still I sort of want to call bull crap on the idea.

In fact, is there a reason Geno is human, along with looking sort of terrifying as well, besides the reason you like flesh?

People like him so far. Some even said: 'WOW, go Geno!'. 'Geno has a great dick'. Its not me that 'like' flesh. Peach does And many people prefer that.

That could be early in the topic. His human body doesn't look right to me. Maybe it's a good thing that he that cloak on. And those who play the game will remember that he's made of wood, because he's a puppet. I'm not sure why people prefer that, they probably haven't played the game.

But hmmmmmm hmmmmmmm I think I can make him wood. Its not so 'obligatory' for him to be human. If the reason is to make him the 'real Geno' since SMRPG, okay.
Its just a matter to remove 'belly muscles' and some drawings on him and substitute with wood art, like the toad house doors. But I still want people talking about it.
If I make a voting pool JUST TO CHECK, are you going to argue against?

Of course I ask, is there a reason he is human? Why make him human? I don't get the reason why, especially if there's no reason for it other than you like flesh. Not a real good reason. And to be fair, it's not really that important, but I do like some consistency from the games to here.

And you put in stuff that isn't what I was talking about. If you try to understand what we're trying to say, then you don't need to add or change our quotes to your understanding.

I still need to add those placeholders, but not inside your quotes anymore, okay?

That's fine.

It's not a matter of discussing ideas, it's more for its reason for being in the game.

Pregnancy and 'Cumdumpster' effect. One of the fetishes people like.
Oh! Belly will be ON/OFF. I just havent put it yet. So, with Belly 'OFF', the game returns to normal, like the belly never existed.

It'll be easier to not have them in the game, plus it'll save up on space as well. If people want Peach to be a cum dumpster, then they'll have her be coated in cum and not clean her off. That's done.

The 'swimming' thing is NOT to say 'I want to be alone', but rather 'I must keep on'. Its the PERSEVERANCE idea

But as I keep saying, where to? Some times you're just heading off in a random direction, which isn't good. It may be moving forward, but you could be taking a long route from the end. You need better directions.

Of course, but that does depend on what's being added. Like Belome having his official art changed into something else.

So you started to dislike things since that time? Ouch! I havent known that. Again, lack of communication. Well, depending on the situation and the plausible reasons to make him have a terrible monster look (aside of retaining originality) I can make him have 4 eyes again.

No, that's just an example. I don't really have that much of a problem with the change, I'm just recalling one of the polls and just bringing up an example of this. Just saying.

I dont see any problem. Put them OFF, and be happy.

It's just extra space being taken up. We explain our reasons for not having these things in, but you decide that to have it be an ON/OFF thing, which doesn't solve anything. It exists and really I don't see why I should touch such an idea. But considering that in order to get everything, I have to turn it on and have to endure those scenes.

Something that doesnt need ON/OFF. I see.....but who are saying those wont be done? How's about the kissing feature? That one wont be ON/OFF. But people can skip them (e.g not kissing friends like toads to receive hearts).

And do we really need a kissing feature? Haven't we discussed this fully?

You are saying according to your opinions and I respect it. As for me, yeah, I'll play this game because it has tender vore and bigger bellies

Tender vore to me sounds like utter crap. How could vore be tender? I don't get it... I seriously don't.

As for controlling Peach (with new poses) and different sex scenes, I was always working with those since the beginning. You just are not valueing those (I might be wrong). Thats because you are not working with me side by side, in the game lab, for example. There are many features added (those that could please you) but you are affected by those other things you dont like. Thats it.

Granted I should value them, because this is a porn game, but I can't care for them because I don't really care for Peach nor do I want to focus on just that. I still want a game, not all spank material.

Actually playing with that code doenst have anything to do with game complexity or the current progress. But be sure, working on it right now WILL throw some bugs that might make me work for days or even weeks. I just dont want to be stressed here, with people saying Peach is not in lingerie mode, or Peach is not losing her lingerie.

I still say go for it. It's probably better to get it done now than waste time on other things and wait for the game to be completed. At least if it's added, hey there are bugs, and that's good! That way we can take care of them before the game is finally finish!

Like yghhd suggesting the idea of allowing Peach to have sex with babies fresh out of her own womb?

Did I accept it?

Well you did accept pregnancy, and we talked you out of the idea of allowing such an idea yghhd in the game. As Quiz mentioned, allowing such a thing in will attract people like him and it's not always a good thing.

So I need to be 101% perfect?

It helps.

Toadsworth can be one of those toads that were affected by the aphrodisiac, right? Even if not, Toadsworth is expected to teach her sex lessons in order to make her 'aware' of the risk of sex, and to 'try' to make her decent. But he are doing this because he has his nasty side. Like some of his Palcomix comics, and even Quiz agreed to it.

And I don't have a problem with that. It's just for that opening scene, I just want Toadsworth to show more concern for his princess, discouraging her from having any sort of sexual activity that he strongly disproves of, besides Mario.

Quiz made this dialogue, could you believe? Go talk to him if we need to change it, and I'll be happily doing it, if for a good cause of a better quality script.

Probably once he's ready to get back into the groove of things, and it's unlikely until we can all be on even grounds, which is going to be difficult to do if you're not willing to work with us on this.

The whole point in having a team is to combine different needed skills and allow discussion when making decisions, this did not seem to be happening.

It is. SK was used for it, it was going on well! Until the end of 2013 (maybe a bit earlier).

I feel like getting sick of trying to repeat myself. No, none of this is Skype's fault. We have explained our reasons for what's going on, and you're blaming this on outside forces. Sure, life is a good excuse because there are plenty of random events happening that'll take time away from the game, but a messaging program has nothing to do with this lack of absence.

What I recommend here is to use those threads more, PM me more (as a team member), or better, SK, but since I've had a terrible experience with it, I am not going to SK any time soon.

Oh, you need to, because I got something from Asian there:

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

I actually dont feel the game is the same.
It used to be..."hey lets spend a lot of time on this one scene to make it awesome"
now its "hey shoot me ideas so I can make them fast and put them in"
It was fun when it was about 5-6 of us working and coming together to create something amazing. we all kinda had the same style in a way
and then people started to join in. With different styles. And demanding more out of Ivan
we didnt get bored of helping you create the game
we got bored OF the game.
No matter how impressive it was that you were able to bring in so much content in so little time
It was just too rushed
there was no love into making the scenes and content
kinda just something you wanted to rush into and put out
Personally this is my perspective. I have school to attend, my family is growing and I need to contribute to them. I loved to work on this project. It was the one thing I woke up to every morning. Try to create new art for you. And I did it fast, but then you took it and re did it for me.
and that showed me what I needed to fix
but it took time, it took efforrt, it took dedication
it was never rushed
and so it was fun
I only got bored of the porn part, I couldnt stand to fap to my own creations lol
Either way
you understand why most of us "got bored"
it just wasnt the same as it used to
even if the content is the SAME
the way its made isnt anymore

So... yeah, you're not going to go back to Skype, yet you are letting someone who has a voice to be left cold. Really this isn't just a communication problem, the game is also one.

There are things I wanted so bad in the game. The problem (if any) is that people didnt convince me enough.

No, it's supposed to be that we're trying to convince you NOT to put it in. If you want to put it in, then what's stopping you? You apparently have the power, go ahead and do it, but I highly suggest not to.

The two biggest problems I have are the above mentioned hit detection, largely caused by the jump animation when running full speed (still can't figure out where I will actually be landing and constantly run into enemies instead of stomping them or falling into pits instead of landing on platforms), and the text

Yeah, I have that problem sometimes when I do run and try to stomp on enemies. Those times it registers as me wanting to have sex, when I'm trying to stomp on it. And no, this isn't with the raccoon outfit, Ivan. This is the normal running that Peach does when you hit the run key.

I understand that English is not your first language but I am pretty good at figuring out bad English but there are times that I have no idea what you are trying to get across.

Enlist them here (you will be helping me TONS) with possible fixes and I'll do that immediatelly.

He's not trying to tell you problems with the game, he's talking about your English. Sometimes it's hard to understand what you're saying. There is nothing in what Darthan said in that quote saying anything about problems with the game.

Lack of time and priorities being levels and scenes. They cant say 'nothing was done' because its not the truth. Charlieton scene, Toadsworth scenes, Bobomb Buddy scenes, almost all toad dialogues in the castle and some goomba scenes were already changed. Its still on progress and I only have some toadsworth dialogues to be improved and the other goomba ones.

Then help me with these scenes! Give me all that I need to do something to fix this problem so it can be added in! I seriously don't give a crap about the levels (actually I do) or the new scenes being added, you got that covered, I just want to do something to help speed up the process.

You can go back to it anytime you want, and you ARE valuable here as a member once you talk with enthusiasm, believing I DO LISTEN to people, the team having preference over the outside people. But I listen to outside people, because I was one!

But who are you listening to more? The anons or your team? If you're listening to the anons more, then why have a team?

Sorry if I came off as kind of a dick but it was getting kind of annoying that you kept saying that we had abandoned you when, at least to me, it felt like we had been abandoned a long time ago.

Oh, you're not being a dick. I was the dick who started this mess to begin with.

I will also point out that I have not and likely never will use Skype

Considering that we've been using it more of its IM feature and not its calling, it's definitely faster than being on here. But it's understandable, it's not for everyone.

[Darthan]

Oh, you're not being a dick. I was the dick who started this mess to begin with.

Much of what you said was how I felt about things. I just never said anything because that is just not the kind of person I am, I probably would have kept quite if not for the fact that Ivan brought me up and I wanted to make sure that I expressed my feelings on the matter.

Considering that we've been using it more of its IM feature and not its calling, it's definitely faster than being on here. But it's understandable, it's not for everyone.

Have had problems with IM systems so I try to avoid them if I can.

@Ivan I do agree with allot of what Vintage said above and it seems, as he pointed out, that you seem to be misunderstanding what what I am saying.

I should also point out that a major contributing factor to why I quit playing the game is that there isn't really much game there anymore. I am sure that you probably won't understand what that is supposed to mean so I will try to be clear. The way things are right now, if you were to take all of the porn out of this game there wouldn't be much of a game there. There used to be a pretty good balance but as it is now the porn far outweighs that gameplay and that is not a good thing. Right now my favorite games are The Legend of Queen Opala games and The Masculine Mystique. All of these games are good games with porn in them, but if you were to completely remove the porn from the games they are still excellent games. I have to give credit to Gabriel Logan (The Legend of Queen Opala games) and Barabbas (The Masculine Mystique) for being able to achieve this balance. Barabbas really deserves credit since he is making a game, by himself, while listening to the input of his fans and still has an amazing game.

[VintageBass]

Oh, you're not being a dick. I was the dick who started this mess to begin with.

Much of what you said was how I felt about things. I just never said anything because that is just not the kind of person I am, I probably would have kept quite if not for the fact that Ivan brought me up and I wanted to make sure that I expressed my feelings on the matter.

Yeah, I'm kinda the same, but I feel like Ivan should know how we're feeling. I am kinda worried about all of this, but how I went about it wasn't all that great. At least I'm trying to be as honest as I can, along with telling what is going on behind the scenes, so he knows what is happening.

I should also point out that a major contributing factor to why I quit playing the game is that there isn't really much game there anymore. I am sure that you probably won't understand what that is supposed to mean so I will try to be clear. The way things are right now, if you were to take all of the porn out of this game there wouldn't be much of a game there. There used to be a pretty good balance but as it is now the porn far outweighs that gameplay and that is not a good thing.

And combined this with what Asian said about his own thoughts about the problems with the game, it's becoming more clear that this communication problem isn't really the issue. The game is.

Ivan, you misinterpreted something in a PM lately, saying that I called your game a jumble mess and I didn't say it like that. While this is true that your game isn't a jumbled mess, it is, however, feels like there's no real structure to this game. Your current focus of scenes and levels is, for the most part, filling and that's not enough to get by on this. There needs to be some sort of foundation for this game to work out, and without that something's going to break. Now is as a good time to say "STOP!" We really want you to focus on something that isn't just new scenes or levels... no, everyone is right, just scenes and levels isn't enough to make a game.

Please listen to us. We know what's best for this game. We don't want this to fail. Just... listen to us.

[Ivan-Aedler]

WARNING, huge post!

Aren't you older than me? How can you still have pubescent desires? Weird

I havent said that I have pubescent desires, although its partially true that puberty desires play some hole (role) in the game

And sometimes there needs to be an explanation to the madness. At least I'm not fully explaining why this is happening, but at least, to us the creators, that we know what is going on and that it makes sense! Plus what I said is already in the game, what with Kamek casting the aphrodisiac spell across the place. There's no real mystery behind that, other than WHY he is doing this, but I'm sure anyone can figure out why.

Sure, and I will appreciate if someone can create more plot here.

Yeah, some of those jokes are from that game. Saving Mario and friends with the powers of bipolar, tears and spinning! I get it, but really that's not all that embarrassing... in fact, I'm sure if you say that, you'll probably get blasted off from one of her angry stomps. And speaking of SPP, where's Perry?

I know. Peach personality is bipolar.
So far, you can see it when Peach lands from the airship, and when she turns into a statue when a raccoon. By the way, yes, yes, I will be changing it to the default (grey statue), as we have that statue model already! Perry will appear more in certain scenes (I hope!) and we might have it as an inventory item that, if grabbed once, can carry it along all levels (in her hammerspace). By using it, she can play with it like the broom.

Now are we talking original Alice, animated Disney Alice, American McGee's Alice, Alan Moore's Alice, or the live action Disney Alice? And you're saying that Peach is the most sane woman in this crazy world?

Animated Disney alice!
Peach can be a sane women who are trying to be decent and save Mario ASAP!

Probably during FFN's movement to remove adult stories from their site. Not that I can't blame them, there are some terrible lemons there that don't really count as stories... same goes for probably most of the site. Sturgeon's Law sucks hard sometimes.

Yes,some bad lemons.

Probably, it's just I don't care for Peach as a character. I know I bring up Daisy because of my own likes, but from what we are doing with her, it fits more

I will surelly work a bit more with Daisy, like using more of her voices and making her lose her virginity with another pic (not the 'Peach on the pipe' one). And remember, Daisy is rash and non inhibited.

I still prefer the idea of treating other genders equally. I don't see why I want to enjoy the idea of forcing a woman to do such, even if in the end she likes it. I don't really think she loves it, it's just a mask showing that she's happy, while inside she's hurting.

Not in MIM PUT. At least its not what I want to. Maybe in those comics, yes, like I said (some parts). Like blackmail. No, I dont like this 'fetish' to be in games like PUT. But we CAN have a single blackmail scene featuring toads, in a cute way. A good dialogue will show that.

Oh I can make her adult any time, but it'll be extremely weird that she suddenly shot up several years in age... then again, I think this'll be a first for that considering the fandom I'm writing in. But still, I like that she's not sexual, I'm happy to make her asexual, and I'm going to keep her that way until I decide that it's OK for her to finally become (insert boy name here)-sexual (I like this term). Although it's her I don't feel comfortable with. Everyone else is fair game!

I understand Hmmmmm for about the 'everyone else'.... see if its possible to add an ENF one So she can interact with this older woman. Maybe she can tease that older woman?

Well you are making a Mario porn game. It always helps to look at the Wiki and see what you are doing is right. It really does.

But I am priorizing more classic ones, just that, with excepcions, like Cherbil itself.

Again, they're machine. They aren't like any regular sentai team where they can transform back to their civilian form. By the by, you know that comment I made on Skype about Power Rangers and you said that has nothing to do with the game? Axem Rangers / Power Rangers. See anything in that? And I mentioned this before, with the form I want for them, they mentioned that they were given new bodies built by Smity himself, meaning that they're still using machine bodies, and in one scene Yellow was shown to have a metallic interior. It's dark, but they're still machines.

Although we can make metal ones, for sure I'll be a bit off when making that scene. But this doenst imply I wont make it eventually. There are people who like that fetish.

Also, while looking up to see if there is any of their bodies (and thankfully there is plenty of), I found something wonderful... and I'm excited that someone is continuing on with SMBZ! Sure it's not the main story, but hey at least it's probably to be as kickass as the first series!

Great!

OK, Rawk Hawk and Monty Mole, sure, even if Rawk Hawk is more feathery than fleshy, but Mallow is a cloud-like being. Where's the flesh? He's all fluff!

Like Chain Chomps and all the other who were put in the game: he's a classic , and he's a friend. Axem Rangers are enemies, and they appear just once (near the end of the game).

I was thinking that they could say "Princess, do you notice those pink balls hanging on the trees? Do you have any idea how they got there?" The Bumpties probably don't have an idea what they are or how they got there.

Hmm why not putting one Cherbil in the first level (5-1) who would greet himself? Peach could even believe he's a friend (he's not).

Or we can discuss it when it's time to add him in the game.

After adding Wart, Belome, and even the big dragon from DigFree as a side scene

That could be early in the topic. His human body doesn't look right to me. Maybe it's a good thing that he that cloak on. And those who play the game will remember that he's made of wood, because he's a puppet. I'm not sure why people prefer that, they probably haven't played the game....Of course I ask, is there a reason he is human? Why make him human? I don't get the reason why, especially if there's no reason for it other than you like flesh. Not a real good reason. And to be fair, it's not really that important, but I do like some consistency from the games to here.

Like I said, I can make him back to a wood, if thats really a problem.

It'll be easier to not have them in the game, plus it'll save up on space as well.

The Belly system uses like 20kbytes.

But as I keep saying, where to?

Vintage, I already said it. Levels and Scenes. These ARE important, because once done, the game will be easier to be completed. In the between, I am making the features in order to rest from the repetition.

Some times you're just heading off in a random direction, which isn't good. It may be moving forward, but you could be taking a long route from the end. You need better directions.

I need a present team. You say the team are saying things to be done and I am not accepting most of them. Wrong. The fact is. The team is not helping with things like art, dialogues and scenes aside of Luft (when he was working with outfits), ToyLoli (when she was working), Blargh, OwnerOfSuccuby, ThatGuy45 and now Dodoman (sorry if I forgot someone). We surely need to discuss, but we also need action.

No, that's just an example. I don't really have that much of a problem with the change, I'm just recalling one of the polls and just bringing up an example of this. Just saying.

Ok then. But please see the good sides of it. You should agree that poll was great for us to see the reaction.

It's just extra space being taken up.

20kbytes

We explain our reasons for not having these things in, but you decide that to have it be an ON/OFF thing, which doesn't solve anything.

Of course it does. There will be things I like and you dislike. Quiz like and I dislike. Darthan like but I dislike. Then I put them all. I am a good person after all.

But considering that in order to get everything, I have to turn it on and have to endure those scenes.

Put it as 'OFF' (provided they're optional) and you DOESNT have to endure those scenes

And do we really need a kissing feature? Haven't we discussed this fully?

We did. And Toyloli agreed with me. And I decided to put it in. It will be optional in regard to the fact you dont need to kiss friends if you dont want to. But this is always a possibilty.
One of the concepts I have to this game is: make tons of side features. Why? Because it will give more gameplay and different feelings in most areas.
Then you say: 'see? Thats why I am upset. You dont listen to us'.
I DO listen, stop complaining! You just have to understand my way of doing things. We dont have to 'save' 10, 20kbytes, that is silly. We just have to understand the game is customizable.

Tender vore to me sounds like utter crap. How could vore be tender? I don't get it... I seriously don't.

I imagine an octopus or a given enemy with pure flesh taking a given woman......then she becomes stark naked inside of them. She is scared but.....she starts to get pleasure. The enemy is not 'dirty' like real life animals. His mouth and inner areas are smooth, like rubber and clean flesh, and it doesnt stink. Peach is inside his gut (in case of enemies like Boss Bass fish), then she cums inside. She cant stand the pleasure. The fish decides to spurt her out. She is naked, she is dirty (of cum) and she is now a bit dizzy.

This is a great fetish. I like it and I dont see any reason to say: 'this is GROSS, I wont put it in'.
Now if we talk about some Peach pics where she loses a leg, blood comes out, she dies etc, NOW that is CRAZY talk. I wont make those scenes at any means, you have my word.

Granted I should value them, because this is a porn game, but I can't care for them because I don't really care for Peach nor do I want to focus on just that. I still want a game, not all spank material.

'Spank' material (I hope you mean 'wank material, fap material') is important in this game. But yes, the game will have more gameplay/non sex features. At least its the intention, right?

I still say go for it. It's probably better to get it done now than waste time on other things and wait for the game to be completed.

I am being sincere, I'll be thinking about it later, when I am more non-stressed and with more features, levels and scenes already in the game will make me do it without 'rush' to finish levels and other areas I do do do know I would be making less and less if I stop the good winds. And remember I have to make panties and bras first.

At least if it's added, hey there are bugs, and that's good! That way we can take care of them before the game is finally finish!

Let's do things pace by pace please. And, again, dont think I am just creating excuses to delay it.

Well you did accept pregnancy, and we talked you out of the idea of allowing such an idea yghhd in the game. As Quiz mentioned, allowing such a thing in will attract people like him and it's not always a good thing.

They know that feature wont be done. The intention is just to make her breed, maybe some breast sucking, then they will go. And I might make eggs first (when Yoshi fucks her and the pregnancy statistics ends up as 'pregnant', like Toyloli was calculating). And again, ON/OFF. If pregnacy is OFF, no pregnacy. Oh, the space used? Well, pregnancy is most a code only feature, so its like 1 kbyte at most. Then I need to make baby models (naked baby goomba, naked baby koopa, naked baby toad). I might do only some of them, not all 26 enemies current in the game. If I create 5 baby models, they will add up.......lets see......5kbytes to the game!

So I need to be 101% perfect?

It helps.

Everything has progress, so I am in progress for that.

And I don't have a problem with that. It's just for that opening scene, I just want Toadsworth to show more concern for his princess, discouraging her from having any sort of sexual activity that he strongly disproves of, besides Mario.

Oh I see! Why not? It could be! Please check if you can change that dialogue, maybe only the area when we say 'use your body'.
(Remember that was Quiz's idea).

Probably once he's ready to get back into the groove of things, and it's unlikely until we can all be on even grounds, which is going to be difficult to do if you're not willing to work with us on this.

Again, you are being drammatic. Its like I was always in the pond, eating rice, listening to music, while working like a slave in certain times of the day. Then someone went to my ranch and said all at once; 'Ivan I dont like that you are stubborn Quiz is making a new game you dont listen to us the game has tons of things that makes it only porn the game is bad, the dialogues are bad......'.

Thats my point. And dont try to explain. Thats how I received the news here.
If you want to help, help it. If not, you dont need to help. If Quiz wants to return, I'll be happy and he knows I find him special. If he doesnt want, I am sorry, I cant force him.

I feel like getting sick of trying to repeat myself. No, none of this is Skype's fault. We have explained our reasons for what's going on, and you're blaming this on outside forces. Sure, life is a good excuse because there are plenty of random events happening that'll take time away from the game, but a messaging program has nothing to do with this lack of absence.

So it's just the issue about Ivan liking ABCDE and you guys liking FGHIJK......well..... if its really the case, the only way to fix that is:
1 - accepting the differences, like I accepted yours and I changed things like Birdo (I used the new one), and our current discussion about seeing your side and making Axem Rangers a machine.
2 - go create your project/ help another project.

I dont want to force you to like the game the way I want to make it.

Oh, you need to, because I got something from Asian there:

Lets go, I am liking the discussion.

I actually dont feel the game is the same. It used to be..."hey lets spend a lot of time on this one scene to make it awesome". now its "hey shoot me ideas so I can make them fast and put them in"

Lack of communication. If you guys said that before with compreehension and kindly (be it here or SK) and participated more, I would have listened. Remember I was waiting for scene ideas and nothing. ThatGuy was the guy that helped me all this time. He made like 30 scene sketches so far. Or even more. Then I was really putting them in but this DIDNT imply I was not listening.
If a given loop (e.g. Peach sitting down wonky) was seen by the team, well, say it! "Ivan, in scene 3 of Shyguy, she sits down bad. Please check this (new image sketch). We in the team urge you to change to that way because of this and that.

Ivan: Hmmmmmmmmmmm........ you are right. I am sorry about my rush. Fixing it!
Easy

It was fun when it was about 5-6 of us working and coming together to create something amazing. we all kinda had the same style in a way and then people started to join in. With different styles. And demanding more out of Ivan.

That is true. But a thing is also true. Although we were getting a good time, we were still stuck in world 3 and with like 70 scenes. I was sad because I wanted (yes, my decision) to make scenes more. I was learning in that time. And Blargh was helping, but like 1 scene per week or even less. I am the same, and we can go back to that amazing moments as before. But we have just to understand the 'rush state' I was in, and this WAS great. It GAVE the game more value, even if you think they're not. But I admit, I rushed in a way I became more absent. However, I was still listening, just you guys havent communicated well. At least the way I was expecting, so I would have listening more.

we didnt get bored of helping you create the game. we got bored OF the game. No matter how impressive it was that you were able to bring in so much content in so little time. It was just too rushed

Explained above. I have my reasons to do that. I learned a lot how to animate, and I really did a feat, considering I work in an office and I have a few time at night. In our time, I've had more free time. Maybe this have played something in our plans. Now I am paying the bill of everything and getting stressed sooner (due to life, not PUT). So we must not just blame people here.

there was no love into making the scenes and content. kinda just something you wanted to rush into and put out. Personally this is my perspective. I have school to attend, my family is growing and I need to contribute to them. I loved to work on this project. It was the one thing I woke up to every morning. Try to create new art for you. And I did it fast, but then you took it and re did it for me.
and that showed me what I needed to fix. but it took time, it took efforrt, it took dedication. it was never rushed. and so it was fun. I only got bored of the porn part, I couldnt stand to fap to my own creations lol
Either way. you understand why most of us "got bored". it just wasnt the same as it used to. even if the content is the SAME. the way its made isnt anymore

We always have time to make it interesting again. But really, for me, I dont see any problem. The game IS more interesting, enticing and tons of more sexy. I fap to my own game, I dont hide it.
But yes, I miss our times, and the way we are helping each other. But again this is not because 'Ivan is bad'. But the circunstances. Maybe my work is now demanding me so much. I might have stopped making the game then put a message here: 'People I need to stop, I have real life priorities', But I just decided to keep this on. Sorry about the ruth. It was REALLY for a good cause. And now, we only have 21 levels to finish the game.

No, it's supposed to be that we're trying to convince you NOT to put it in. If you want to put it in, then what's stopping you? You apparently have the power, go ahead and do it, but I highly suggest not to.

According to our discussion so far, we are agreeing to change some aspects of the game. Because now we are discussing better. With more time, with more compreehension. But no, I wont be removing things like the Belly and the pregnant system, as said above. They're expected. Just understand they can be disabled.

Yeah, I have that problem sometimes when I do run and try to stomp on enemies. Those times it registers as me wanting to have sex, when I'm trying to stomp on it. And no, this isn't with the raccoon outfit, Ivan. This is the normal running that Peach does when you hit the run key.

I will check it.

He's not trying to tell you problems with the game, he's talking about your English. Sometimes it's hard to understand what you're saying. There is nothing in what Darthan said in that quote saying anything about problems with the game.

But I am happy you guys are letting me improve my english, right? And dont come with 'but you dont want to change it'. NOOO the problem is 'we are not helping you in that moment'.

Then help me with these scenes! Give me all that I need to do something to fix this problem so it can be added in! I seriously don't give a crap about the levels (actually I do) or the new scenes being added, you got that covered, I just want to do something to help speed up the process.

Dont you know how to play the game, then play a given dialogue, take notes of it, then write a new phrase? You can do that quickly in the gallery.

But who are you listening to more? The anons or your team?

The team of course.

If you're listening to the anons more, then why have a team?

The anons were part of our realm.

See you great man Have peace! (And Peach!)

[Ivan-Aedler]

Much of what you said was how I felt about things. I just never said anything because that is just not the kind of person I am, I probably would have kept quite if not for the fact that Ivan brought me up and I wanted to make sure that I expressed my feelings on the matter.

Everything MUST be said, I dont have a crystal ball. I appreciate your opinions, great guy
Lets rock!

@Ivan I do agree with allot of what Vintage said above and it seems, as he pointed out, that you seem to be misunderstanding what what I am saying.

I always struggle to understand you.

I should also point out that a major contributing factor to why I quit playing the game is that there isn't really much game there anymore. I am sure that you probably won't understand what that is supposed to mean so I will try to be clear. The way things are right now, if you were to take all of the porn out of this game there wouldn't be much of a game there.

OF COURSE. I was working on scenes and levels for almost a year now. A thing i wanted so much and so bad. It was my decision to prioritize it, if you didnt like, I am sorry, really.
The idea is to, like I said above, return to gameplay work (and code) over time, as I'll be exhasting all level production

Right now my favorite games are The Legend of Queen Opala games and The Masculine Mystique.

Great! I might play them someday.

All of these games are good games with porn in them, but if you were to completely remove the porn from the games they are still excellent games.

I like porn and I prefer porn, although the idea is to return to features like P powerup (which would make her fly with big balloons).
Havent you seen yoshi? Its a feature. Peach can ride him (of course with some porn).

I have to give credit to Gabriel Logan (The Legend of Queen Opala games) and Barabbas (The Masculine Mystique) for being able to achieve this balance. Barabbas really deserves credit since he is making a game, by himself, while listening to the input of his fans and still has an amazing game.

Congratulations for them Now I am happier. I will try to be like them over time.
See you, God bless you great man! Have peace!

Yeah, I'm kinda the same, but I feel like Ivan should know how we're feeling.

I surelly do. I just want you to understand I was almost dying to make these faster. You can ask: 'why Ivan'? Because I wanted to progress faster. With quality as well. There are scenes with new Peach poses

I am kinda worried about all of this, but how I went about it wasn't all that great. At least I'm trying to be as honest as I can, along with telling what is going on behind the scenes, so he knows what is happening.

Remeber I always listen. If the next tasks are to make Geno wood again and to work with dialogues, let's do it. I can make him a wood and you can work with dialogues (if you want to).

Ivan, you misinterpreted something in a PM lately, saying that I called your game a jumble mess and I didn't say it like that. While this is true that your game isn't a jumbled mess, it is, however, feels like there's no real structure to this game.

Of course. I've prioritized enemies, scenes and levels. Although these are great, the levels needs more side features (not porn based). I know this.
Although I've made some feature like the mushroom spring platform.

Your current focus of scenes and levels is, for the most part, filling and that's not enough to get by on this. There needs to be some sort of foundation for this game to work out, and without that something's going to break.

It wont break.

Now is as a good time to say "STOP!" We really want you to focus on something that isn't just new scenes or levels... no, everyone is right, just scenes and levels isn't enough to make a game.
Please listen to us. We know what's best for this game. We don't want this to fail. Just... listen to us.

I will. Lets start?

[Ivan-Aedler]

Birdo Scene 5 in the game! Thank you Dodoman!

[Darthan]

As far as the features being added and then adding on'off toggles I have to agree with Vintage here as ask why add them them. You reasoning of "trying to cater to more people" doesn't really cut it because by that logic you should just add anything that someone asks for and add an on/off toggle for it. Let me be clear, I am in no way saying that you should do this.

If you want to make scenes so much you might as well just make a gallery with all the scenes. If you want to make a game make a game. Saying you want to make a bunch of scenes and then make the game doesn't make much sense. If you don't have the game, there is nothing to play, and since you locked the gallery behind cheat codes it makes even less sense to put so much focus on scenes.

[Ivan-Aedler]

As far as the features being added and then adding on'off toggles I have to agree with Vintage here as ask why add them

To customize the game.

You reasoning of "trying to cater to more people" doesn't really cut it because by that logic you should just add anything that someone asks for and add an on/off toggle for it.

Like scat? Gore? No, thank you.

Let me be clear, I am in no way saying that you should do this. If you want to make scenes so much you might as well just make a gallery with all the scenes.

I am doing this already. Havent you checked that? But I agree, there are still some scenes to be there, like vegetable ones (I now what you mean, but the game IS a game, there are tons of code and plot on it, but it could have more, you are right, I never said you werent).

If you want to make a game make a game. Saying you want to make a bunch of scenes and then make the game doesn't make much sense.

It does. Each enemy deserves some scenes with her, right? Birdo, for example. We have now 5 scenes for her. This is cute and beautiful. I am getting better and better on them. Peach can 'fuck' her in a level she is, being a raccoon, a fire peach, with all things we might imagine at the time of the encounter. This is fantasy. Sex is fantasy. Sex is beautiful! Sure, we will be getting MORE non-sexy features, like 'Peach clmbing down a slope' (like Mario 3) and P-powerup.

If you don't have the game, there is nothing to play

Wrong. Dont be drammatic.

and since you locked the gallery behind cheat codes it makes even less sense to put so much focus on scenes.

Ohhhhhhhhh no, LETS NOT GO AGAIN to that case!! Please go to the changelog AND CHECK YOURSELF you CAN unlock it using cheating. Its easy to unlock. And you can do the right way: go mate enemies until all scenes are played. Bingo! That enemy will be unlocked.
Mamma mia! Some people dont read the forum, they just throw negative things here. MAN, have peace. Have happiness. See the good sides, too. I havent seen you say 'Ivan, good job, man, on this and that'. 'This one is not good but hmmmmm okay I liked the level 5-5'. Why? Is that how a team reacts to one member who is recklessly coding? (and might have a pause)? THE LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. Come on. We have hope! Thank you

[Darthan]

If you don't have the game, there is nothing to play

Wrong. Dont be drammatic.

I am not wrong or being dramatic, making something without gameplay and calling it a game does not make it a game.

Ohhhhhhhhh no, LETS NOT GO AGAIN to that case!! Please go to the changelog AND CHECK YOURSELF you CAN unlock it using cheating. Its easy to unlock. And you can do the right way: go mate enemies until all scenes are played. Bingo! That enemy will be unlocked.

Apparently you didn't read what I said either. I said that you locked the gallery so that it requires you to use the cheat codes to unlock. I was not aware that you had made it so that scenes unlock once you have found all of them for a certain enemy but that has even less meaning to me since for some reason this game and only this game will not save for me. Every other Flash game I play saves fine, but not this one.

Mamma mia! Some people dont read the forum, they just throw negative things here. MAN, have peace. Have happiness. See the good sides, too. I havent seen you say 'Ivan, good job, man, on this and that'. 'This one is not good but hmmmmm okay I liked the level 5-5'. Why? Is that how a team reacts to one member who is recklessly coding? (and might have a pause)? THE LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. Come on. We have hope! Thank you

I thought I said this before, I really don't have anything good to say about the game at this point. I liked the game and where it was going at the start, but that doesn't seem to be where it is going anymore. To me it seems that the direction this game is going has completely changed and I don't really like it. If you are wanting me to tell you "I like this" or "I like that" don't expect a whole lot. I am impressed that you have been able to churn out so many scenes in such a short time, but as Vintage said the quality seems to be lacking.

[susuki]

Hi Ivan! Very good job by the scenes, the worlds and who help you realize them. : D
Follow that perseverance and success in everything! need any help let me know privately.
a big hug and greetings to all.

[Ivan-Aedler]

I am not wrong or being dramatic, making something without gameplay and calling it a game does not make it a game.

Hello there, great man! Sorry, I have rights to disagree with you. Dont be mad to this. And I am seeing we are going nowhere here. We have different points of view. I can see wonders, fantasies, tons of tender things we didnt have before, while you are seeing bad sides from your point. I see the game as having much more ways to go and play around, and with more interactive objects than before. But as I've said, there are still missing gameplay items like PUZZLES, certain DIALOGUES with toads (to find a key to free him, etc), goombella and certain inventory items that Peach could gather (not only outfits).
And the blueprints idea from QuizMasterBos that I'll be implementing sooner or later.

Apparently you didn't read what I said either. I said that you locked the gallery so that it requires you to use the cheat codes to unlock. I was not aware that you had made it so that scenes unlock once you have found all of them for a certain enemy but that has even less meaning to me since for some reason this game and only this game will not save for me.

Hmmmmmm strange....Here it is saving okay. Better you check that and use others browsers. But you recall that each new version (most when we have new outfits or enemies) that Flash itself resets the save file. I still dont know why. I have a plan to add 'copy and paste to the clipboard' (Hummingbird ideas) which is still on the way. But even that wont avoid corruption if we try to load it in a newer version game with new variables.

I thought I said this before, I really don't have anything good to say about the game at this point.

Sorry man, really. Maybe you are just bored, or you THOUGHT you were not heard. I keep receiving emails about 'WOW, this is an epic game', 'I am surprised for the velocity that the game is taking, the scenes are great', and 'Man I dont have words, this is incredible' kind of phrases. Its so strange only you guys are complaining. And no, I am not IGNORING the team. I think I just added too many people on it, with different ideas. This can be good (more discussion, more work to be assigned to), but can be bad (features one likes but the other dislikes). And more, people like you never participated really in a PM discussion, neither added something like 'hey Ivan, check that dialogue', or 'Ivan, I made that art', really. and if we go pages ago, we will check you complained more than being stimulated with something. Even in the beginning. You can say 'but I am like that and I see the side what means more to me'. No problem. I understand you see the way you prefer. You have a different point of view.

I liked the game and where it was going at the start, but that doesn't seem to be where it is going anymore. To me it seems that the direction this game is going has completely changed and I don't really like it. If you are wanting me to tell you "I like this" or "I like that" don't expect a whole lot.

Man, calm down. The game ISNT completed. What I already said above many times was: I prioritized scenes and levels (I have my reasons to do that, like lack of people helping directly on that aside of Blargh), and I dont regret it. I learned how to make it better, in a less time, with fewers bugs. And now that Gorepete released the source of Krystal Version G, I can help him make more Krystal scenes, as I am getting better and better in animation. As about PUT poses, we have many new ones, like Peach slippering from a puddle of cum (so cute!) and even have a 'dying' pose now. Peach shows her tender face to us while falling, then her butt appears from behind her body while saying 'nooooo'. And more features you guys are ignoring.
And remember I've put a Mario RPG ending. The scene there is more detailed than the classic ones made from PS. Mario 64 ending is on the way, as well as Paper Mario 2 ending, with its enticing song too. I was talking and showing pictures of the current state of them pages ago.

I am impressed that you have been able to churn out so many scenes in such a short time

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat, thank you!!! Finally someone in the 'team' checked out all my hard work here so far.

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But they were added with care. With based sketches. Not 'without any guide'. There are people who gave real attention to that and 'bugged' me positivelly in PM: ThatGuy45 and SuperDodoman12.

but as Vintage said the quality seems to be lacking.

I wont be completing the game without adding those.
I loved your presence in the team in the first months of the game and all of the ideas. It marked presence! I'll being sincere and saying at heart.

Now we need more happy people around. People that can see the good sides and help directly, while being kind and descriptive. We need this.

Hi Ivan! Very good job by the scenes, the worlds and who help you realize them. : D

Thank you! I see you guys are seeing the real purpose of this rush, thank you really.
As only Blargh and I are making scenes (the hard work) right now, only people who really want to see new sexy scenes will understand this rush.
But as I've said, I'll be slowing down soon, in order to prioritize features.

Follow that perseverance and success in everything! need any help let me know privately. a big hug and greetings to all.

Thank you again, you're great! I'll be putting your Goomba land level ideas and your pictures once I have opportunity I might put the goomba level right in World1, or if people have other ideas, let's discuss it.

[Ivan-Aedler]

And here is the current 'Priority - Immediate' part. Of course those can change or even be removed.
The list of TODOs are extremely large, but I am raising priorities for them.
Oh just to say again: THOSE ARE NOT ONLY SCENES, you can see there are gameplay items being added.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

And here is the 'DONE' features since the last weeks. You can also see there are NOT just 'scenes and levels' made.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

I know that you already know all of that (or not).

[VintageBass]

... You know what, it's impossible to talk to you now. I was right, you are stubborn. You're clinging on to this fantasy while the people that were working for you are finally seeing that this is becoming crap. Seriously, that list of priorities is stuff really not all that freaking important. It's seriously not that important to the overall game, just extra filler to give the illusion that we are playing a game. I am constantly repeating myself, and you just brush it off like it's nothing. I seriously can't wrap my head around this concept you're going for. It's just crap!

Look, if you really want to get this game done, we're gonna have to take this away from you because you don't have a clue on how to make a game. But considering I got so much already, I rather have someone much more experienced take things over. I agree wit Quiz, it's time that we come in and take this game from you. You're just proving to be impossible to work with, and it's getting frustrating that you're seriously not listening to our complaints.

If you don't want to work with us, fine. I got a game in the works already. Don't come to us saying we were right. In fact, I don't think you will. You got this fantasy that this game is fine as it is and nothing will fail. I'm sorry, but you can't be much more wrong on this.

I seriously give up. I can't stand talking to you. It's like talking to a brick wall. Listen to your precious lurkers and anons, because apparantly they're far more important than a team who knows clearly better than its leader.