QuizmasterBos Wrote:I'm just baffled by this poll. How are half of these even supposed to work? Daisy is there? What about the first meet-up at world 2...
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Wouldn't it destroy the magic a bit if you just find her at the castle, bathing Peach? Why would she do that? Why is she allowed to do that?
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Rosalina too.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Now, I am against Toadella too, because she isn't from any Mario game. She was just made up by Blargh.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:So, that would just leave two options: Peach on her own and your choice.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Sorry Ivan, but this is something I had to get off my chest.
Asian Wrote: I....
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Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:I'm just baffled by this poll. How are half of these even supposed to work? Daisy is there? What about the first meet-up at world 2...
Stop right here! DIdnt you check the entire phrase?
'Daisy will go to world2 palace, where she belongs. Peach will be alone in the bathroom thereafter.'
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:Wouldn't it destroy the magic a bit if you just find her at the castle, bathing Peach? Why would she do that? Why is she allowed to do that?
Let's see the votes.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:I did, actually. Which is the reason why I posted that in the first place. Can you explain to me why Daisy is in the bathroom in the first place? And why would she just leave then?
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Peach getting washed by Daisy can only occur for a brief moment. Better have Peach naked in the bath from the get-go then.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Remember, I told you we don't need to get rid of this model. We could make her into a robot created by E. Gadd for this exact purpose.
LuftMallow Wrote:Toadella was only made to fill out the old character selection. Blargh was the one who made the scenes containing her. I do find it odd that Ivan's game essentially has two Toadettes in it. So it might be a good idea to remove the one who has no characterization.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:I did, actually. Which is the reason why I posted that in the first place. Can you explain to me why Daisy is in the bathroom in the first place? And why would she just leave then?
Daisy has a castle to rule, in this game. Daisy can be invited to Peach castle, why not? Both know each other before the game.
But you're right, scripts might need to be done. HOWEVER. Not a MUST, because Toadella doesnt talk to Peach anyway. Toadella, like you said, isnt' an official Mario character. I will only retain her if people wants it.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:Peach getting washed by Daisy can only occur for a brief moment. Better have Peach naked in the bath from the get-go then.
In SUPER MARIO RPG, we only see the Samus easter egg once, and we have to be quick and explorative. In this game, I can even put clues (before Peach goes off from her castle) to make the player go to the bathroom. Oh! That scene can be seen in the gallery at any time. And depending on the game situation, Daisy can be there (e.g. If Peach is in world 3) so reapparances of Daisy are still possible. But for now, she will appear once, because she needs to rule her castle (and try to protect it from the airship there). And Peach will have some scenes with her in that castle AND in a given forest level.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:Remember, I told you we don't need to get rid of this model. We could make her into a robot created by E. Gadd for this exact purpose.
A ROBOT?????? Come on, Quiz, NOT that please! ROBOT??? Washing Peach? You guys really hate a good , pure and exciting FLESH on FLESH interactions.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Toadette IS official, Toadella isn't.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:And yes, Daisy has a castle to rule, so she should be there, no? Why would she come to the castle, Mario is freaking kidnapped!
QuizmasterBos Wrote:That's just a little easter egg. This is a scene in MiM PUT. I thought you wanted to make it so all the scenes are accessible at any time WITHOUT going to the gallery? People made a ruckus over that, remember? You did too.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:But I already told you, she'd still be fleshy, she'd just be a robot in name...
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Wait. You know what? You are absolutely right. This is about your preference, right? I thought another preference of yours was ENF? Which Toadella basically doesn't fit in! Why would Peach allow Toadella (or anything else for that matter) to clean her with sexual moves? She is supposed to be a pure maiden! If Peach would wash, it could only be on her own, or with Mario, who isn't here, so Peach has to self-wash herself.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Krystal and Rosalina would definitely not fit in this category (Rosalina doesn't know what sex is and both Rosalina and Krystal have never met Peach before). Why would Peach allow them to do this? It would go squarely against your idea that Peach is pure and embarrassed.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:And yes, Daisy has a castle to rule, so she should be there, no? Why would she come to the castle, Mario is freaking kidnapped!
Women use to play with themselves (dolls, a cup of tea), so I dont see any problem of Daisy being there because Peach invited her during the sunlight.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:That's just a little easter egg. This is a scene in MiM PUT. I thought you wanted to make it so all the scenes are accessible at any time WITHOUT going to the gallery? People made a ruckus over that, remember? You did too.
People would like to see Peach alone.
Other people would like to see Peach AND a friend.
Why not pressing a button to call that friend, then? But this wont disable this voting pool in any way.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:Wait. You know what? You are absolutely right. This is about your preference, right? I thought another preference of yours was ENF? Which Toadella basically doesn't fit in! Why would Peach allow Toadella (or anything else for that matter) to clean her with sexual moves? She is supposed to be a pure maiden! If Peach would wash, it could only be on her own, or with Mario, who isn't here, so Peach has to self-wash herself.
So lets see how people react, and we will talk about this later. But Peach can argue to that person (Daisy , Krystal or whoever is there). "Why you...you are...in my bathroom??"
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QuizmasterBos Wrote:Krystal and Rosalina would definitely not fit in this category (Rosalina doesn't know what sex is and both Rosalina and Krystal have never met Peach before). Why would Peach allow them to do this? It would go squarely against your idea that Peach is pure and embarrassed.
Toadella (or other female) is WASHING her right now, not making any tribadism or other scene.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:If she's surprised to see someone in her bath, that doesn't mean she'll allow that character to perform sexual acts on her.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Uh, cunnilingus, breast massage, nipple sucking, fingering? That's what Toadella is doing right now in the bath. That's not just washing, right?
QuizmasterBos Wrote:But I already told you, she'd still be fleshy, she'd just be a robot in name...
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Krystal and Rosalina would definitely not fit in this category (Rosalina doesn't know what sex is and both Rosalina and Krystal have never met Peach before). Why would Peach allow them to do this? It would go squarely against your idea that Peach is pure and embarrassed.
QuizmasterBos Wrote:Uh, cunnilingus, breast massage, nipple sucking, fingering? That's what Toadella is doing right now in the bath. That's not just washing, right?
AsianP3rsuas10n Wrote:Instead of the ending to each world be saving a toad...why not saving a princess that adds onto each of the bath scene?
VintageBass Wrote:Well if this is about bathing and going with what you are saying, then Rosalina is a good candidate to clean Peach. After all Rosalina doesn't have prior knowledge to sex so she could clean Peach without doing the things Toadella is doing now. Though explaining how Rosalina is doing in Peach's castle early on is going to raise some questions...
VintageBass Wrote:Yeah that's not going to work. What's so wrong with just having one or two girls cleaning themselves normally?
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:Calling Blargh!!LuftMallow Wrote:Toadella was only made to fill out the old character selection. Blargh was the one who made the scenes containing her. I do find it odd that Ivan's game essentially has two Toadettes in it. So it might be a good idea to remove the one who has no characterization.
I like Toadella and I already have a feeling she IS a toad, but almost an human. Like an 'older brother' of their race. Almost a mutant, really.
She is more prone to even protect the other toads, but she is a bit obscure (like Flavio).Toadella can even be regarded as a mother of Toadette (or an aunt). Nobody knows.
I wont remove her interaction with Peach because the animation between the two is unicque, and a well done work by Blargh. What I can do is to put this scene in other areas, and with other characters (like Krystal and Peach, or Daisy and Peach) since the characters share the same body parts (sometimes a bit larger belly/leg/head, but its easy to replace). But yes, Toadella herself can cease to exist. A possibilty.
Blargh Wrote:Toadette (is she being called Toadella now?), as I understood it, was supposed to be a sexy adult version of the actual Toadette.
Blargh Wrote:The bath scene involved a servant Toadette, who is just another random Toadette similar to how there's multiple Toads. Playshapes' original Peach was basically naïve about sex, but knew what it was.
Blargh Wrote:That being said, I have no idea what the context of the bath scene currently is, so I can't really give a good opinion.
Blargh Wrote: >_> All I can say is, if Peach is still naïve and sort of slutty, there shouldn't be a problem leaving the bath scene as is no matter where it is, with an attendant that takes advantage of Peach's inexperience, unless it's somewhere where having another person around would be highly unlikely (although explanations are easy for almost every situation).
coolness32 Wrote:(Before I post I don't know if she is Toadette or Toadella so I will just use Toadella)
coolness32 Wrote:How about if the Toadella character washes Peach based on Peaches status? If Peach is a virgin Toadella just washes her like normal, if Peach is a nympho, then Peach wants her to pleasure her.
coolness32 Wrote:It would also make some sense if the bath character was available at all shower checkpoint thingies.
Vice-a-Roni Wrote:First, I love your work, Ivan/Blargh/Luft/Biles/Quiz/anybody else I'm ignorantly omitting. I love how vast this game is, and am eager to see what it becomes.
Vice-a-Roni Wrote:Now, addressing the most recent issue, I see no reason to fight the introduction of said character, "Toadella". It would be nice to get some dialogue explaining her presence, but you can introduce a random face without deviating from the canon. Why anybody would feel the need to keep this 100% true to canon is beyond me; it's a sex-game about an E to E10 franchise. Of course you're taking liberties.
Vice-a-Roni Wrote:If a new character is a huge issue, then the only other character I see as an option right now that *could* be true to canon is Pauline. That could be an interesting cameo or shout-out.
Vice-a-Roni Wrote:If this bath scene is such an issue, then my idea for the writing direction (as an objective fan of your games) would be to make the person bathing her a sort of a mentor figure. Peach is initially naive, but then becomes sexually experienced as the game goes on, right? So this character (Pauline/Toadella/etc.) would be a sort of guide for her
Vice-a-Roni Wrote:Anyway, I enjoy the game. I enthusiastically await each update, and the scenes really turn me on. But, I know you all have schedules to keep, and I'm happy to wait however long for each update. Keep up the good work, everybody. Your work continues to amaze me. But, remember to take care of yourselves too.
Ivan-Aedler Wrote:LuckyPig Wrote:ok enough with the level designs, more, bad guys, sex scenes, costumes and characters please >:)
Its easy to say that, but harder to execute, because:
1=> We're 'normal beings', with families, jobs, tasks required outside (like paying for telephone, bank, pharmacies, showering the dog, giving escuses to our girlfriends), and common worries/stress. People are making animations with me right now (Blargh, Digfree, Gorepete and OwnerOfSuccuby), but they are human beings too. Some are into Colleges, another one in universities, another one playing XBOX and PS3 games (not me on that one!), so we need to wait.
2 => We work for free. We dont have end dates (with an angry boss on top of us). This absence is in fact good for the project because we talk with players directly, we can think better, and ideas flow better. But due to the item 1 above, we can't be only working on this game.
3 => Once with a free time, we start working in the game (from which is done actually EVERYDAY, most times at night), BUT:
- The game core IS code. Without a proper feature (with new code) with tons of tests, no scene will be bug free, and some can be annoying by the player, so we are using the most time for programming, sometimes altering complex algorihtms, but without visual perception (the player thinks the game wanst changed at all).
- Each sex scene requires planning, some sketches and good ideas (well I do have ideas but the team should discuss more), otherwise I can end up adding not so interesting scenes or scenes that are equal to other enemies (or even weird scenes, like Peach fucking a wiggler upside down in a strange way, after eating apples). Trust me, I'm capable of doing that without planning. ThatGuy45 created some nice sketches and I will be creating more Chomp and Shyguy scenes based on his when I have time.
- Priority IS level making because its the HARDEST task and I'm already used to it. If you're an engineer which can modify an entire city (and you're used to it), why retiring in exchange to create new road paths? We will end up with tons of paths and highways, but without new areas to go. And that engineer will lose his skills over time, making him unable to create more buildings and bridges. The only way for this to work is having more contributors, who can bug me all the time: 'Ivan, done, done, done, done!'. So Ivan will be 'implementing, implementing,implementing,implementing!'
- Also, Priority is Peach poses (pole dancing, running while embarassed), and Peach voice acting. Needless to say priority is also bug fixing.
So please be patient. The tendency is a faster code, a faster framework to make scenes, and a steadier game flow. I understand the anxiety and I would be like you if I were in your place. Sometimes I ask to myself: 'why not rushing to the scenes?', as I can think the game is from other developer and then simulate this. However, nothing is easy like we imagine (and worse if we're alone).
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