Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 3.48 (Nov 2/18) - HIATUS

[Toyloli]

Yeah, I meant the word 'damnit'. I don't like using these words in the game, they'll only say words like fuck in the 'having sex-way'.
But no biggie, I can change that easily.

The way I got that was (here we go again) that it seemed he just didn't like women in general in the slut script. So I thought you made him a little less interested in women than the other koopalings.

Did you see the comic? I'd like to see some more feedback.

Wait, you consider Damnit a swear word. .. .. ... ...
<_<
>_>

Is this a pun ?
And Quiz, your talking in circles. I have established my standpoint in everything here and where I was thinking. I'm not forcing anybody to write or do anything.
I honestly think you are just plain looking for things to complain about at the moment.
[ Stares ]

And to be clear, Darn, Damn and Bloody are about the extent of my 'colourful' vocabulary. And that's only cause I don't see/didn't know anyone even considered these swearing...

[Ivan-Aedler]

And Quiz, your talking in circles. I have established my standpoint in everything here and where I was thinking. I'm not forcing anybody to write or do anything.
I honestly think you are just plain looking for things to complain about at the moment.

I agree with Quiz on a thing. He knows Mario games in a way a few people do, even myself. And he is guarding the game plot in order to retain its fidelity as a tender fairy game, in order not to deviate it a lot. In fact, if Quiz was resilient/'changeable' like me (its not the fact I'm clueless or I just want to 'add new things', but rather open minded), if he wasnt resilient, tons of people would be asking for features ('i want BDSM! 'I want modern plots like Mario Party and Mario Kart', 'I dont want Mario to be rescued', 'Why not putting pokemon'), in a way the main game baseline plot would be lost forever. The game is expected to be....tender, lovely, funny. But that does not avoid side stories/sub parodies, in a controlled and well discussed way.

So in this game, the game is more oriented to classic Mario games, non-kart ones, as Playshapes envisioned too. Not only him (a Super Mario RPG fan), now I feel I'm like Playshapes2 in the soul (except he wanted a more whore game).

[Toyloli]

And Quiz, your talking in circles. I have established my standpoint in everything here and where I was thinking. I'm not forcing anybody to write or do anything.
I honestly think you are just plain looking for things to complain about at the moment.

I agree with Quiz on a thing. He knows Mario games in a way a few people do, even myself. And he envision the game being with fidelity, in order not to deviate it a lot.
In fact, if Quiz was resilient/'changeable' like me (its not the fact I'm clueless or I just want to 'add new things', but rather open minded), if he wasnt resilient, tons of people would be asking for features, and the main game baseline plot would be lost forever. The game is expected to be....tender, lovely, funny. But that does not avoid side stories/sub parodies, in a controlled and well discussed way.

And this means a character such as Roy would be expected to say "Gosh Darn"
Realism here people. At least I didn't throw an F or S or C around. It was a damn of all things.
If he keeps Roy's language TOO tame it will only make him sound MORE gay. Imo.
Or at best, British. And I thought people didn't want that?

[Ivan-Aedler]

And this means a character such as Roy would be expected to say "Gosh Darn". Realism here people. At least I didn't throw an F or S or C around. It was a damn of all things.
If he keeps Roy's language TOO tame it will only make him sound MORE gay. Imo. Or at best, British. And I thought people didn't want that?

For me, no problem to have some of scripts act like that. We dont want a 'so tender' game, in a way we are not seeing harsh/a bit of 'Come here SLUT!' words.
Having Roy say 'oh my dear....come here to my cute penis, wow! I'm now a better koopaling' isnt expected for a koopaling and I dont agree.
If so, then Peach would be never a whore!
So...neither '0' or '100'. But a mid value. (40, 60, sometimes 70).

[QuizmasterBos]

Yeah, I meant the word 'damnit'. I don't like using these words in the game, they'll only say words like fuck in the 'having sex-way'.
But no biggie, I can change that easily.

The way I got that was (here we go again) that it seemed he just didn't like women in general in the slut script. So I thought you made him a little less interested in women than the other koopalings.

Did you see the comic? I'd like to see some more feedback.

Wait, you consider Damnit a swear word. .. .. ... ...
<_<
>_>

Is this a pun ?
And Quiz, your talking in circles. I have established my standpoint in everything here and where I was thinking. I'm not forcing anybody to write or do anything.
I honestly think you are just plain looking for things to complain about at the moment.
[ Stares ]

Whoa there, this is going in the wrong direction now.

I'll explain my thoughts a bit. Do I consider Damnit a swear word? Basically yeah. I say it when I am actually speaking, but I refrain from using any 'harsh' wording, even if they are not always considered so. I use Dang, or dangit instead in writing. And even then I wouldn't personally write that in a script, but that is just me.

Now, I don't feel like I am talking in circles, I am just a very nitpicky person. I can be regarded as being a complaining jerk and yeah, I am at times. I had occasions where I wrote something down and then I felt bad for it later. And you wouldn't believe the stuff I didn't write down, but I was originally thinking of.

So yeah, I am a jerk, but I at least try and do it for the better. And now I hate myself.

And this means a character such as Roy would be expected to say "Gosh Darn"
Realism here people. At least I didn't throw an F or S or C around. It was a damn of all things.
If he keeps Roy's language TOO tame it will only make him sound MORE gay. Imo.
Or at best, British. And I thought people didn't want that?

Gosh darn? Of course not. Writing is like magic, you can do so much cool stuff with it. You can write a 'badass' without an 'F', 'S' or 'C' or the worst ones, like asking God to doom a person. (It's worse in Dutch where they say God damn me! I just can't stand that one.)
Now, as much as I can say I agree with you, I do feel like you are overreacting to this just a tad. Either way, I am not liking this conversation.

So please, can we forget this ever happened and go back to playing nice?

[Toyloli]

And this means a character such as Roy would be expected to say "Gosh Darn". Realism here people. At least I didn't throw an F or S or C around. It was a damn of all things.
If he keeps Roy's language TOO tame it will only make him sound MORE gay. Imo. Or at best, British. And I thought people didn't want that?

For me, no problem to have some of scripts act like that. We dont want a 'so tender' game, in a way we are not seeing harsh/a bit of 'Come here SLUT!' words.
Having Roy say 'oh my dear....come here to my cute penis, wow! I'm not a better koopaling' isnt expected for a koopaling and I dont agree.
So...neither '0' or '100'. But a mid value. (40, 60, sometimes 70).

Which on THAT NOTE!
You and I have had this discussion before.
Men have no problem throwing those words (slut and whore) around, and think nothing of it!
But those words when used can be thirty times more damaging and insulting (to us women) than fk ct and st. So Quiz, you have NO problem what so ever throwing blatent insults to women and feminity around in a game. But you're going to get uptight about Damn ???

-.-

[Ivan-Aedler]

Me, toyloli and Quiz conversation:

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Men have no problem throwing those words (slut and whore) around, and thing nothing of it!
But those words when used can be thirty times more damaging and insulting (to us women) than fk ct and st. So Quiz, you have NO problem what so ever throwing blatent insults to women and feminity around in a game. But you're going to get uptight about Damn ???

Toyloli, you're right. This is not only a 'men' oriented game anymore, but females SHOULD have fun too. Provided we dont use too harsh words (the 'whore' fact is just because of the initial concept, Peach ending up as a whore in the end). And remember we didnt find a 'better' word for slut/whore. In almost all men world, 'whore' is not a bad thing, but an arousing one, as, for our minds, there is woman who loves sex and wants to mate you and your friends, while having the same respect! People can mock her but in a tender way, and she loving that (oh I'm a dirty princess!)

I know its difficult to undertand, but WHORE for me is like that.

I really want the team to be less 'nitpicky'. The issue is not that 'I dont like nitpicky' people, but TOO MUCH protection AND 'this cant be done', 'neither do this', would decrease my creativity.
It DOES harm. So we just need COMMUNICATION in order for us to ADAPT to the changes, and knowing that all this work is FTW. But again, is there are conflicts, and people are right (e.g. maintaining the magic of Mario unvierse), all should strive to keep the baseline on it.

[QuizmasterBos]

Ivan, Toyloli and me have a conflict.

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And this means a character such as Roy would be expected to say "Gosh Darn". Realism here people. At least I didn't throw an F or S or C around. It was a damn of all things.
If he keeps Roy's language TOO tame it will only make him sound MORE gay. Imo. Or at best, British. And I thought people didn't want that?

For me, no problem to have some of scripts act like that. We dont want a 'so tender' game, in a way we are not seeing harsh/a bit of 'Come here SLUT!' words.
Having Roy say 'oh my dear....come here to my cute penis, wow! I'm not a better koopaling' isnt expected for a koopaling and I dont agree.
So...neither '0' or '100'. But a mid value. (40, 60, sometimes 70).

Which on THAT NOTE!
You and I have had this discussion before.
Men have no problem throwing those words (slut and whore) around, and thing nothing of it!
But those words when used can be thirty times more damaging and insulting (to us women) than fk ct and st. So Quiz, you have NO problem what so ever throwing blatent insults to women and feminity around in a game. But you're going to get uptight about Damn ???

-.-

I'm sorry, miss! I didn't come up with the word originally, Ivan did, if I am not mistaken. But I AM the editor, so I'll have to take responsibility. But let me say this:
Slut and whore IS used as an insult, yes, but in this game Peach DOES end up loving sex with just about anything. I don't know what else to call it.

And I was afraid this might happen, to be honest I had been unsure about the word and I always wondered why you did not complain before (at least I cannot remember you to).
And every time I wrote it down here in the thread, I felt a little bad about it.

But, since it can be regarding as a bad insult to women, let's think about a better word then, okay?

Also, note to others, please stay out of this conversation! No need for more people to get into a conflict, Ivan, Toy and me will discuss this ourselves.
*holds out hand*

[Ivan-Aedler]

Me, toyloli and Quiz conversation:

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Also, note to others, please stay out of this conversation! No need for more people to get into a conflict, Ivan, Toy and me will discuss this ourselves.
*holds out hand*

Yes we can find another better word.
But I dont expect names as 'a tender sex craving female'. (HMMMMM maybe 'sex craving' only)
I'l be putting any side tracking in spoiler. Quiz, you should do the same, as you tend to quote everything, even images. This make people (even the team itself) to browse useful MIM PUT conversarion here.

[Toyloli]

edit er opps, all those changes happened while I was posting. How do you change spoiler taggings again?

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Oh I get it, and almost all women put up with those terms from men simply cause they do have an accurate meaning.
It's like I said before
Male | Stud | Player | good
Female | Slut | Whore | Bad

This seams to be the 'world view' (mostly pushed by men. Most women see it the other way around)
I have come up with a variation of terms though.

Embarrased, Cheeky, Daring, Outgoing, Forward
Virgin, Experienced, Practiced, Slut

(With whore only being used for Extreme measures)
Not expecting this to get through though. No offence meant to Quiz, but men who jump up and down at Damnit probably condone calling women whore or slut arbitrarily.

[Ivan-Aedler]

Me, Quiz and Toyloli

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It's like I said before
Male | Stud | Player | good
Female | Slut | Whore | Bad

I AGREE! Darn world! The majority STAINS the beauty of the real magic of being sex craving (using respect). And men/women DO have stages in their lives that they just want more sex.

Embarrased, Cheeky, Daring, Outgoing, Forward
Virgin, Experienced, Practiced, Slut

Now we're going somethere. Actually, in the actual scenes, Peach IS acting forward, as she just goes down and takes goomba dick, like she's saying 'TAKE THIS. You will have a deep sleep now'.
I like the Slut term because she JUST wants sex, sex and sex. She is willing to spread her legs. Her openings are twiching. She wants a good sausage. And this wont not staining her royalty. Toads will still respect her, and some might be embarassed or seeing their princess like that.

(With whore only being used for Extreme measures)

Let's remove whore, then! But a voting poll should be nice.

So....(Daily Level):
Peach: Embarassed / Did Nasty Things / Slut of The Day

(In the entire game/ Peach life):
Peach: Virgin / Daring / Craving for Sex

[QuizmasterBos]

More conflict. Please stay out of this if you aren't Ivan or Toyloli.

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edit er opps, all those changes happened while I was posting. How do you change spoiler taggings again?

Oh I get it, and almost all women put up with those terms from men simply cause they do have an accurate meaning.
It's like I said before
Male | Stud | Player | good
Female | Slut | Whore | Bad

This seams to be the 'world view' (mostly pushed by men. Most women see it the other way around)
I have come up with a variation of terms though.

Embarrased, Cheeky, Daring, Outgoing, Forward
Virgin, Experienced, Practiced, Slut

(With whore only being used for Extreme measures)

Wait, so whore can still be used? I thought we should remove it and we should. And I still see you are quite angry and frustrated.

Not expecting this to get through though. No offence meant to Quiz, but men who jump up and down at Damnit probably condone calling women whore or slut arbitrarily.

Miss Loli! Saying 'no offense' does not automatically mean that something offensive becomes non-offensive. I do not like it that you just begin assuming I like to belittle women only because I felt 'Damn' was a swear word! Please stop!

[Ivan-Aedler]

WAIT!! We CAN use 'sex craving'!

[Toyloli]

@Quizzness for priateness

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I know. I'm being pissy right now cause of minor indignation. Please make allowances.

And I personally don't like the idea of using whore or slut, as I said I acknowledge theres a place for the words. Just like I acknowledge there is a place for Damn, Darn and even occasionally the F bomb. Although that one not as much as TV and many people would have us believe.

I believe 'Slut' as a term should only be thrown around if Peach's 'lay' count goes above like, thirty or fourty a level. And the 'whore' status only applied if she does this for more than say, 50% of levels played. Cause anyone, even most women would accept that as whore-ish even if we don't like the word.
At the moment the problem is not that the words are being used, it's that peach arbitarily becomes these at levels that can result from just not being very good at playing these kinds of games. They shouldn't be used until she/the player is actively and visibly trying to make the count go higher!

And don't think this had distracted me from the fact that Roys is the kind of character who WOULD say Damn.

[Ivan-Aedler]

Me, ToyLoli and Quiz:

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I believe 'Slut' as a term should only be thrown around if Peach's 'lay' count goes above like, thirty or fourty a level. And the 'whore' status only applied if she does this for more than say, 50% per level. Cause anyone, even most women would accept that as whore-ish even if we don't like the word.

I can increase the value, then. Like 20 enemies per level -> Slut of the Day but it wont work for those levels with 10 or fewer enemies.

At the moment the problem is not that the words are being used, it's that peach arbitarily becomes these at levels that can result from just not being very good at playing these kinds of games.

No, not arbitrary. In the actual game mechanics, 10 per level -> Slut of the Day. 100 or more, A whore. (could be changed as -Craving for Sex). I wont be raising this number without a real purpose because, well, 100 enemies WILL take a lot of time for us to see Peach craving for sex in a beauty way.

And don't think this had distracted me from the fact that Roys is the kind of character who WOULD say Damn.

I dont care! We're going too far. For me, Damn and Darn dont matter for the game plot!

[QuizmasterBos]

@Quizzness for priateness

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I know. I'm being pissy right now cause of minor indignation. Please make allowances.

And I personally don't like the idea of using whore or slut, as I said I acknowledge theres a place for the words. Just like I acknowledge there is a place for Damn, Darn and even occasionally the F bomb. Although that one not as much as TV and many people would have us believe.

I believe 'Slut' as a term should only be thrown around if Peach's 'lay' count goes above like, thirty or fourty a level. And the 'whore' status only applied if she does this for more than say, 50% of levels played. Cause anyone, even most women would accept that as whore-ish even if we don't like the word.
At the moment the problem is not that the words are being used, it's that peach arbitarily becomes these at levels that can result from just not being very good at playing these kinds of games. They shouldn't be used until she/the player is actively and visibly trying to make the count go higher!

And don't think this had distracted me from the fact that Roys is the kind of character who WOULD say Damn.

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Sorry Toy, but there is only so much I can take. At least it seems we are finally getting on the right track now.

And yes, I acknowledge there is a place for every word. But I just felt like damn didn't belong there. It just looked out of place in the rest of the script.

And Peach does not arbitrarily become a whore after say, three or so lays. She becomes Slut of the day after fucking 10. And that is only for that level. And be honest, what would you think of a woman who suddenly sleeps with 10 guys on one day?

And of course she won't be a "whore" until she has reached maybe even 400 lays! You will need an extremely high number before reaching that, but as long as you fuck most of the enemies in every level, you will be that by the time you beat level 56. So players WILL need to work harder to get that up.

And would Roy say damn? Probably. But if we can make him have the same personality, but remove the 'damn', wouldn't that be okay? I just want all the scripts to flow, that's what an editor is for.

Have you calmed down a little? Can we go back to being friends? I sure don't want to lose a friend over some stupid conflict about what is a swear word and what is not.

[Ivan-Aedler]

Quiz and Toy:

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And of course she won't be a "whore" until she has reached maybe even 400 lays! You will need an extremely high number before reaching that

The problem is that, right now, 100 is nice, and enough. People wont be just making sex with 10 enemies each level, in order to see 'Peach as a Sex Craver' in the 10th level.
Even me, with those arousing days, couldn't get 100 that way. I like to stomp on enemies, and use fireballs too. And we hardly have 20 levels. I do agree, its possible to have, say, 20 or more scenes because they go out of these hog holes (provided Peach is really horny). But again, who will be seeing 20 scenes per level all the time? It should be expected to see newer scenes in later levels, not only goombas.

NEWS: Quiz and Toyloli broke their relationship.
Cause: the word 'Damn'.

NEWS: The Third World War has begun!
Cause: The king of Spain didnt like the flirting of the Princess of Romania.

[Toyloli]

@Ivandish and quizzcloth

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Firstly, the counter that gets to 'slut' doesn't include penetration .. And while the stereotype would agree with you it still makes it pretty rude.

Again, I would prefer the words
Embarrased, cheeky, Daring, Outgoing. With slut and whore being reserved for the global stat thing.
Or something to that kidney.

As for the Damn - Ivan has already commented, from my view this is the last word. As long as ACTUAL swearing doesn't take place it makes sense for characters who are rough and tough to use more colourful language. Withing reason. Your insistence on otherwise is just you being pink minded.
Basically Quizz, I only even mentioned the Slut/whore thing cause your willingness to allow it was in direct conflict with your calling damn a swear.
It was and is plain hypocrasy.
I am not asking for words to be changed, I can live with the terms being used, I am asking you to acknowledge the hypocrasy. Plain and simple.

[QuizmasterBos]

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@Ivandish and quizzcloth
Firstly, the counter that gets to 'slut' doesn't include penetration .. And while the stereotype would agree with you it still makes it pretty rude.

So you don't agree upon me stating that a woman having sex with 10 guys one day could not be considered... you know.
And although performing a sexual act is not as bad as penetration, I still think something can be said about a woman say, sucking off 10 guys in a day.
But I'd think that too for a man fingering 10 girls.

Again, I would prefer the words
Embarrased, cheeky, Daring, Outgoing. With slut and whore being reserved for the global stat thing.
Or something to that kidney.

Alright, but Ivan would have to agree as well with this.

As for the Damn - Ivan has already commented, from my view this is the last word. As long as ACTUAL swearing doesn't take place it makes sense for characters who are rough and tough to use more colourful language. Withing reason. Your insistence on otherwise is just you being pink minded.
Basically Quizz, I only even mentioned the Slut/whore thing cause your willingness to allow it was in direct conflict with your calling damn a swear.
It was and is plain hypocrasy.
I am not asking for words to be changed, I can live with the terms being used, I am asking you to acknowledge the hypocrasy. Plain and simple.

I said I didn't really like the words in the first place didn't I? I allowed them because everyone allowed them, even you.

And nothing said in a script is set in stone. If I can think of a way to make Roy sound rough and tough without saying specific words, then I will.
And I already apologized profusely to you, but you haven't accepted it. So was I being a hypocrite? A bit, yes. But you are overreacting to this way too much. Please calm down, drink some tea or so and hopefully we can get along again.

[Toyloli]

And I already apologized profusely to you, but you haven't accepted it. So was I being a hypocrite? A bit, yes. But you are overreacting to this way too much. Please calm down, drink some tea or so and hopefully we can get along again.[/spoiler]

Actually I accepted it long ago, I'm just still pissed.
It takes me a long time to cool down when I get my back up over something.
Please just take it and accept it that I'm being unnecessarily rude right now.

And on the sex with ten guys in a day, I would definitely tut tut at it. But I wouldn't start calling a girl a slut or a whore over it.
To my mind those things are describing a way of life. Not the deviences of a single day.

Besides which, in this case there is 'Extenuating circumstances'
A spell, enemies being forceful, devisive programmers. I feel those words if they are to be earned should be earned over multiple levels, not one.