Elysium (RPGVX) Version 0.12 - 3/10/13

[SpectralTime]

Where there will be a maid. Just to be specific, you need to talk to the nun TWICE, and ask what Lucky pointed out.

Don't worry. EVERYONE gets stuck there.

In advance: the next time you get stuck will probably be in the capital. Talk to the pretty girl in front of the gate, the girl in the bar, examine the right-hand side of the upper level of the city, then investigate the garden. That exact sequence will (I think) activate all the plot triggers.

[Seyser Koze]

Next update will be in the next week or so, barring assorted disasters.

Or not, after a week of general non-productivity. Shit happens, and so do exams.

[CeilingCat]

Next update will be in the next week or so, barring assorted disasters.

Or not, after a week of general non-productivity. Shit happens, and so do exams.

I feel you, Koze.

[rizzatar]

great game take your time on the updates so they can be big

[killzone1012]

has anyone gotten past the part in this where you need to prep for some type of battle?? at the moment im unable to do anything all 3 girls are in julies house and that succibi is in there to and the in door is still shut and unabled to be open still so what do i do??

[Seyser Koze]

You need to talk to Elektra at Ophelia's house.

Added a link to the OP with a walkthrough.

[killzone1012]

i got past that part and now had to run around for a few mins but thanks for the fyi koze and im at the fort part where i take it over and im at the part where i need to unlock the gates before time runs out but somehow i fail and time runs out and Kathryn climbs out of the middle of the room with the levers and she kills me and i get game over and i dont get a fight scene with her

[Lucky777]

...Hah. Well, I'm not going to get in an argument about my game in somebody else's thread.

A fine act of respect, to confine the discussion to its own native and proper thread.

Now, I'm actually not interested in getting into an argument at all, but I am interested in non-argumentative discussion.

Did I misrepresent something about the effect of Darius' nightspawn-cum on Kathryn, or whatever General Balls-squeezer's name was, or was there something else wrong?

[Seyser Koze]

...Hah. Well, I'm not going to get in an argument about my game in somebody else's thread.

A fine act of respect, to confine the discussion to its own native and proper thread.

Now, I'm actually not interested in getting into an argument at all, but I am interested in non-argumentative discussion.

Did I misrepresent something about the effect of Darius' nightspawn-cum on Kathryn, or whatever General Balls-squeezer's name was, or was there something else wrong?

Mm. Yeah, "argument" was a strong word for that one. My bad.

But basically, Darius spent the better part of a night raping Kathryn into oblivion, which is why she's not very responsive the following morning. Sort of like how Darius passed out briefly after his first encounter with Elektra, but on a rather larger scale this time. The Night's power is supposed to make people more aroused/receptive to the physical act of sex (which in turn makes it easier for Darius or others to drain the power from them), but doesn't actually have an overt brainwashing or mind-controlling effect - additional "persuasion" would be needed to actually get them to support you (e.g. Juliet's sense of guilt over the Princess, or Yolande's desire to see that the bandits are taken care of). I'm trying not go the Harem route (the game, not the glorious get-all-the-girls ending) where the characters literally love you forever just because you screwed them.

[Lucky777]

The Night's power is supposed to make people more aroused/receptive to the physical act of sex (which in turn makes it easier for Darius or others to drain the power from them), but doesn't actually have an overt brainwashing or mind-controlling effect

Fair enough.

It's quite possible to see that the bluehair and the thief-whore both retain a substantial amount of free will - enough, in fact, to have me somewhat concerned about insurrection - but I had assumed that was due to Darius explicitly trying NOT to erase their personalities,
and possibly also because of him pulling out early, or something.

See, from what I can tell, fucking Darius can lead to an erasure of personality - like ... the chick becomes a blank slate, essentially mindless apart from enjoying sex, or something like that. It's the impression I got from the Kathyryn scene, and also from what Elektra told him after his first proper nightspawn fuck with Ophelia.
Something about "you stopped in time" or "You pulled out in time" or ... SOMETHING like that.

If the mind-erasure is caused not by the guy's "Nightspawn cum", but by his "Nightspawn draining of the chick's energy", that difference seems relatively immaterial to me, for it is still "a state of mind-erasure imposed by the protagonist",
and thus, it is still the "complete over-writing of the personality" that I had been talking about.

If Kathyryn's state isn't permanent, and even moreso if it's caused only by exhaustion, and NOT by mind-erasure, then I guess I may just have gotten the wrong impression.

Regardless, though, I definitely didn't get the impression that the protagonist in Ker's "Harem" can cause a similar state of mind-removal, even on a temporary basis,
and that was the objective difference that I was reaching for,
to point out what might have caused the difference in Speccy's reactions.

Moving on to a point which may be a bit shaky:

There's also the fact that his nightspawn-cum seemed to change the thief-whore a bit, making her more susceptible to arousal in general and thus making it a larger part of
her "personality", I guess, while the other guy's angelcum seems to plant some level of obedience to him in the recipients, but doesn't seem to change their general attitudes to sex outside of that, and thus seems to ... have less of an effect on their overall "personality", somehow.
It's a little inconvenient, actually, since if you want Samantha to whore for you in ker's game, you have to put her on a wooden horse for a night and remind her who the boss is, losing a light-side point in the process, but oh well.
GOTTA DO WHAT YA GOTTA DO.
(Also I actually don't know if that's been changed in the newest version of Harem, I'm still running off my memory of the last one I played.)


Now, I say that LAST point might be a bit shaky simply because it might actually be an objectively unanswerable question to ask
"Is changing your body in a way that will change you into a general whore MORE or LESS of a change of personality, compared to changing your mind in a way that will make you obey me in particular?",
but it somehow seemed more invasive to me,
and I think it'd seem more distasteful to someone who has misguided prudery with regard to "general whoring" in particular.

[SpectralTime]

I think another part of it might be motivation.

Okay, sure, Ralph is ALSO, on some level, doing what he's doing because of the unknownable machinations of outside supernatural forces, but... well, they never really get you to do anything you wouldn't have done already. Ralph represents mostly his own interests.

By contrast, almost EVERYTHING Darius does after a certain point in the game, he does ENTIRELY because a jerk told him to. ENTIRELY. Unlike Ralph, whose personality we don't have any kind of handle on prior to his adventure, we DO see what Darius was like before he became an h-game protagonist, and, as I have pointed out before, he goes from (sorry Lucky) breaking up a gang-rape by armed men while naked and armed with only his bare fists and no idea of what he can do with his powers to watching with nothing more than a "..." as an entire town gets gang-raped in front of him in fairly short order.

Ralph... well, the character as a whole isn't the most moral person in the world even on the "good" route, but he seems to have different values rather than none. As Cecillia points out to Ariel, he does good deeds, and he tries to genuinely help women out, it's just that he's also, bluntly, a drug-dealing slaver. If nothing else, I find it fun to muse about how the game manages to make rooting for him easy in spite of that fact.

I think it comes down to Electra, really. Whatever else you say about good!Ralph, he's just one dude trying to save a country in a weird way, and saving other countries as he does so. Good!Darius, though, is still the willing/brainwashed agent of an evil horde of nasty rape-monsters whose unpleasant, unlikable leader can make him work to expand their control over the world by asking him politely. This, independent of how they treat women and so on. Speaking of which, say what you will about whether or not Darius himself has or uses mind control powers, but I doubt all those men kneeling in front of succubi and calling them "mistress" in front of their horrified wives without responding to them at all are doing what they're doing out entirely of their own free will, no mind-control involved, with just a little extra horniness.

...Seriously Electra, eat a dick.

...No wait. Poor choice of words...

[Seyser Koze]

By contrast, almost EVERYTHING Darius does after a certain point in the game, he does ENTIRELY because a jerk told him to. ENTIRELY. Unlike Ralph, whose personality we don't have any kind of handle on prior to his adventure, we DO see what Darius was like before he became an h-game protagonist, and, as I have pointed out before, he goes from (sorry Lucky) breaking up a gang-rape by armed men while naked and armed with only his bare fists and no idea of what he can do with his powers to watching with nothing more than a "..." as an entire town gets gang-raped in front of him in fairly short order.

Well, the Princess gets raped while under his protection. Far from being simply punished for failing, he's instead accused of being the rapist himself. He's then framed for said crime by his friend and executed in secret, without even a pretense of due process and apparently on the orders of his high-ranking superiors. Surviving, he then inadvertently spawns a legion of demons into the world (actually it's a pretty small legion ingame, but manipulating lots of events in RPG Maker is a pain) whose leader promises him the opportunity to get answers, and possibly revenge.

These demons then turn their attention to the nearby town, which under better circumstances Darius might have had a thing or two to say about. However:

* He's still in some degree of shock after everything that's happened.
* They outnumber him.
* He needs to stay on good terms with their boss.
* His view of the villagers has been tainted somewhat by Ophelia's story about their mistreatment of her.
* His view of the villagers has been further tainted by the knowledge some or all of them may have been complicit in the attack on the Princess.

Despite all that, he's still repulsed by Ophelia's apparent change in demeanor, and while he loses himself in anger with Juliet (Nightspawn instinct = you violate people who piss you off), he still finds himself sickened by what he's doing (to Lucky's eternal disappointment), enough to override his desire for Elektra's assistance and make him set off without it. That persists right up until he reaches the castle and discovers that Bella, the one person he was certain he could trust, has betrayed him. He then promptly gets his ass handed to him by Xenia, driving home the fact that without a handle on his newfound powers, he can do nothing. Yet even though he spat on Elektra's original offer of help, she doesn't even seem to hold a grudge, and is still willing to extend the same offer. At that point, all bets are off.

Sorry, but I have to take serious issue with the statement that Elektra's whims are the sole thing driving Darius. Normally I'd leave things to be explained as the story unfolds, but in my experience, when people make up their own canon explanations for things, they tend to get even angrier when the author doesn't then go along with them.

Speaking of which, say what you will about whether or not Darius himself has or uses mind control powers, but I doubt all those men kneeling in front of succubi and calling them "mistress" in front of their horrified wives without responding to them at all are doing what they're doing out entirely of their own free will, no mind-control involved, with just a little extra horniness.

Oh, right. I guess I'm not totally averse to the general idea. I just think that's a grossly OP ability for a protagonist to have.

...Seriously Electra, eat a dick.

Well, that at least I think I can do something about. Eventually.

[SpectralTime]

First, yeah, good point about my anger getting the better of me. The entire paragraph you wrote in the middle? Fair enough. He does do that, and I more-or-less did ultimately come to that conclusion... right up until the point where he comes back.

Well? Ophelia's not any better (if anything, she's actually worse), and she rapes him in the dirt in front of the town while Electra jeers at him.

...And this makes him want to work for Elektra? (Speaking of which, I think I'm going to alternate the spellings of her name until I remember which is right.)

...See, that's the thing. I more or less agree with you and find those legitimate points... until you say "he has to keep on Electra's good side" or "he WANTS to work for Elektra" or something. Why would he want that? I don't want that. I can't stand her. Is it the sexy? Hey, them Four Generals are pretty women too, and it doesn't make him want to bend over backwards to please them. Is it because she's helped him out? Maybe, in the sense that her machinations have kicked off the entire plot by keeping him away from the princess at just the right time and just the right length of time for a horrendous gang-rape. Is it because there's anything appealing about her policies, her openly-described motives, or her personally? Not really.

Yet, he keeps siding with her, doing to countless others exactly what he is trying to kill the generals for doing to the princess (and not JUST them either, there're plenty of innocent mooks and its not like the WHOLE army was in on this as HE HIMSELF can attest), and even helping her scout out entirely neutral cities like Palmova for the raping because, well, he's got nothing better to do while hundreds of innocent civilians are sheltered from hordes of disgusting rape monsters under a barrier he's trying to break.

Here, let me put it this way. Why did Ralph go after Yolande and the bandits? Because Electra told him to.

Why did he stop the army from liberating a city under their control? Well, fair enough, self-preservation. I'll give you that one. It even feeds into taking the border fort, which, conveniently, both protects them from possible harm and furthers Elektra's evil plans to conquer the world and turn all humanity into slaves and cattle.

Why does he then go to the Arcane Academy? Well, because he wants to crack the shield, which, fair enough furthers his stated goal and hers. But Palmova doesn't have that excuse. She told him to get rape fodder, to get provisions for the troops... and he obeyed.

Okay, that's not nearly as bad as I was saying above, you have me there. It's even somewhat clever, now that I've written it down, how you keep managing to entangle his desire for justice with her desire for domination and conquest. But...

...

...I guess I can't stand Electra to the point that I'm letting my hatred of her cloud my judgement.

Which means you were right all along and the majority of this post was pointless. And I'm probably still going to post it anyway because I've put too much effort into it NOT to.

...

...COCK!

Speaking of which, say what you will about whether or not Darius himself has or uses mind control powers, but I doubt all those men kneeling in front of succubi and calling them "mistress" in front of their horrified wives without responding to them at all are doing what they're doing out entirely of their own free will, no mind-control involved, with just a little extra horniness.

Oh, right. I guess I'm not totally averse to the general idea. I just think that's a grossly OP ability for a protagonist to have.

...Well, fair enough then. Hey, Darius isn't 100% the most in-control of his powers nightspawn in the world.

...Seriously Electra, eat a dick.

Well, that at least I think I can do something about. Eventually.

...Goat testicles.

NO WAIT-

[Seyser Koze]

It's quite possible to see that the bluehair and the thief-whore both retain a substantial amount of free will - enough, in fact, to have me somewhat concerned about insurrection - but I had assumed that was due to Darius explicitly trying NOT to erase their personalities,
and possibly also because of him pulling out early, or something.

See, from what I can tell, fucking Darius can lead to an erasure of personality - like ... the chick becomes a blank slate, essentially mindless apart from enjoying sex, or something like that. It's the impression I got from the Kathyryn scene, and also from what Elektra told him after his first proper nightspawn fuck with Ophelia.
Something about "you stopped in time" or "You pulled out in time" or ... SOMETHING like that.

If the mind-erasure is caused not by the guy's "Nightspawn cum", but by his "Nightspawn draining of the chick's energy", that difference seems relatively immaterial to me, for it is still "a state of mind-erasure imposed by the protagonist",
and thus, it is still the "complete over-writing of the personality" that I had been talking about.

If Kathyryn's state isn't permanent, and even moreso if it's caused only by exhaustion, and NOT by mind-erasure, then I guess I may just have gotten the wrong impression.

The sex-magic thing is basically a nod to (okay, a blatant ripoff of) Eushully's games, which are a pretty big conceptual inspiration for Elysium. There, magical power and physical strength can be given or stolen through sex. There are several instances throughout their games of characters literally being raped to death in this manner.

[Lucky777]

...Yeah, the whole "raped to death" thing would be pretty unfortunate.
But I guess that means Kathryn's state was both temporary and also due to exhaustion.
Interestin'.

Then, to actually phrase it correctly, now that I have the canon facts behind the phenomenon:

"Ralph, as opposed to Darius, does not seem to be able to fuck people to death or into a temporary catatonic state, except from ordinary tiredness."


Regardless, I hope the MC starts showing some more enthusiasm for Elektra and her plans: his irrelevant carryings-on about the Princess get old fast.
That's partly me being irritated that the damned fool interrupted not just one, but TWO perfectly good gangrapes, and partly me finding that it makes almost literally 0 sense
for him to be thinking "Oh man, rape is so terrible that I'm going to get the whole world raped in order to find out why they got the Princess raped."

I can only assume that the player making the relevant choices will eventually cause him to shut the bloody fuck up and get with the more important Nightspawn program.

[BlueBody]

I liked the expansion, I just upgraded from 0.10.2 to 0.11. I found the story good and a really enticing mystery, keeping me interested in finding out the story behind the city.

Only suggestion I would have is the need to implement more depravity. I found the fact that we couldn't see inside the inn all this time while taking over the first village a sign that you either might not have the creativity for making the depraved scenes inside (nothing wrong with that. That's actually a good thing!), or you're saving it for later. But for the most part, we're also cut off from the people we left behind.

Any plans to add in scenes showing what the others are doing? At least keeping themselves busy? Where are all the scenes involving demon-human interactions? Where is the scenes showing the buildup of demonic forces via breeding or brainwashing humans into serving them? You know... evil stuff?

Also, more I wouldn't mind more sex scenes too. :3

[Seyser Koze]

I liked the expansion, I just upgraded from 0.10.2 to 0.11. I found the story good and a really enticing mystery, keeping me interested in finding out the story behind the city.

Only suggestion I would have is the need to implement more depravity. I found the fact that we couldn't see inside the inn all this time while taking over the first village a sign that you either might not have the creativity for making the depraved scenes inside (nothing wrong with that. That's actually a good thing!), or you're saving it for later. But for the most part, we're also cut off from the people we left behind.

Depends what you mean by "more depravity." If you're hoping for more dark scenes along the lines of how the Arcanum ends, then yes. If you mean "more depraved than what exists currently," then probably not - I have no real intention of putting beastiality/watersports/scat/guro content in.

[BlueBody]

Depends what you mean by "more depravity." If you're hoping for more dark scenes along the lines of how the Arcanum ends, then yes. If you mean "more depraved than what exists currently," then probably not - I have no real intention of putting in beastiality/watersports/scat/guro content in.

Oh, ew, nope. I don't mean those (though, the line blurs with beastiality vs. monster sex. Not quite sure what sex with a demon is classified as..... and you already have that in the game.)

I mean, brainwashing scenes? Turning good townsmen/women into servants of Elektra. Or maybe conversion rituals of females into nightspawn? You know,... occult things! XD

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression before! >_< I merely meant that in a game involving a man being dominated by a demon to destroy a kingdom and rebuild it... there's not a lot of occult scenes going on.

[BlueBody]

Depends what you mean by "more depravity." If you're hoping for more dark scenes along the lines of how the Arcanum ends, then yes. If you mean "more depraved than what exists currently," then probably not - I have no real intention of putting in beastiality/watersports/scat/guro content in.

Oh, ew, nope. I don't mean those (though, the line blurs with beastiality vs. monster sex. Not quite sure what sex with a demon is classified as..... and you already have that in the game.)

I mean, brainwashing scenes? Turning good townsmen/women into servants of Elektra. Or maybe conversion rituals of females into nightspawn? You know,... occult things! XD

I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression before!I merely meant that in a game involving a man being dominated by a demon to destroy a kingdom and rebuild it... there's not a lot of occult scenes going on. >_____<

[Seyser Koze]

Depends what you mean by "more depravity." If you're hoping for more dark scenes along the lines of how the Arcanum ends, then yes. If you mean "more depraved than what exists currently," then probably not - I have no real intention of putting in beastiality/watersports/scat/guro content in.

Oh, ew, nope. I don't mean those (though, the line blurs with beastiality vs. monster sex. Not quite sure what sex with a demon is classified as..... and you already have that in the game.)

In my book, sex with recognizable animals (or with fictional animals that are just livestock/pets/beasts of burden - fantasized version of real animals) would qualify as beastiality and thus outside the game's scope, while demihumans or more monstrous creatures (Inju Genmu or Legend of the Deep-style tentacle rapists) would fall within it.

I mean, brainwashing scenes? Turning good townsmen/women into servants of Elektra. Or maybe conversion rituals of females into nightspawn? You know,... occult things! XD

I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression before!I merely meant that in a game involving a man being dominated by a demon to destroy a kingdom and rebuild it... there's not a lot of occult scenes going on. >_____<

There'll be a bit more along those lines in the next version.

Whenever I have time to sit down and work on it.