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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Thee Pie Man » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:47 am

@Blue,
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Overall all you did in my opinion was prove you want to be right with everything you say and go to incredible lengths trying to prove you are right. Which basically shows you were treading on Fallacy grounds. Especially given that you diverted everything away to other "proofs" and such, making it seem even more like a fallacy. You also totally ignored my argument as well as one Smackman made right before your post it seems.

By the way as far as this goes:
"Okay now that I’ve proven what Smack said doesn’t make sense logically; I would like to state that it doesn’t mean it can’t happen. In fact, proving anything in deductive logic is hard because nearly anything you can thinking can’t work. “Is there coffee in the cup?” how can you prove that’s true, any second an alien could beam aboard the coffee, onto his space ship."

Can thinking? You are telling us smack doesn't make sense logically yet you are saying you can do a better job?

I can easily prove it's true or false by simply doing the obvious thing *Goes over to the coffee cup and looks inside* Huh..It either A. Doesn't have Coffee, or B. It does. Either way I win. End of story. The solution is usually found in the question in this case "Is there coffee in the cup?" Well is there? Check and see, if there's not then obviously there's not, if there is then obviously there is. Regardless of any alien interference or anything else. It doesn't make the fact that there is coffee or not in the cup more plain or evident when you look inside the cup. Timing doesn't matter because obviously if there's nothing in the cup a second later then the coffee isn't in there at the time. Doesn't mean it wasn't or was, but that wasn't the question so it doesn't matter.

Let's look at the current problem. "Did Smack in fact say anything to the effect-" of as you put it
"Would you jump off a 100 ft drop down on to sharp spears? If not i can claim your scared but it would be smart thing to do. Just because we're not brave enough to try it doesn't mean we should."

"lol everyones still too afraid to give up body wash and stuff though..."

Is all he said. You added everything else to make your own increasingly failing argument more insane to follow.
Honestly he never said ANYTHING that compared it to intelligence or anything of the sort. ALL he said was that people were afraid of it. PERIOD do you even read what he posts? Or do you just fling shit without knowing the direction you are throwing it?
I guess by your logic it would go something like this;

If Shit (S) is thrown south, it will eventually end up north, given the trajectory and the continually forced stream of continually unending shit (Or M for made up shit) then you take your assumptions (A) of how it will continue on going without seeing any mountains or trees or any obstacles since you don't listen to common sense. (C for common sense) We end up with..
If our calculations are correct-a-mun-do.
S X M = Logic / (C) =(A) derived from (S) = (S)
So it just equals Shit in the end.

All I have seen you do is waste your own time trying to prove Smackman wrong when obviously you are taking your own assumptions of his posts and meanings to an extreme beyond comparison and trying to make it seem like he's wrong when clearly you are trying to defend yourself in such a way that it's almost impossible to respond.

I find that Smackman was simply stating that people that do no try it because they are scared, and as Misty frog and I have stated the worse thing you can get is bad hair. END of story. Done, zipped tight, water under the bridge. So if he did carry the notion that they were idiots or stupid for it. Obviously there's two other people that are thinking along the same lines. WORSE THING YOU CAN GET IS GREASY HAIR FOR A FEW DAYS. For some people that's already the problem starting out so it's even more ridiculous.

You taking it to the madness levels you did just proves that you are trying to recover something that was never really there, Mainly your point about his views on things. I don't see how you know them any better then anyone else. I suggest you learn to listen and stop acting like a 16 year old that has serious angst.

In the end I still agree with Smack, while looking at your points I see where you are getting at... but you are missing the entire point. (I would explain but if you seriously can not see it from what's above then I don't think I can convince you any other way.)

I might not see eye to eye with him on a lot of things, but I am certainly not going to let someone come in and rip up someone for no better reason then to do so. Period.

What pissed me off the most though was not only you being extremely rude to Smack, but you totally derailed the thread. You came in, took a comment that totally wasn't aimed at anything and started ripping away at it for no good damn reason. If you really had a damn problem with it you could have pm'd him if anything and resolved it there, not openly slandering him. Saying that he was basically calling people idiots for something. EVEN if he was as I said before. I honestly agree with him. If you can not see that they are two different things you have some issues. If someone is honestly afraid of not shampooing or sudding up. THEY CAN LEAVE THE THREAD, or just not come in it in the first place, it seems STUPID and unintelligent to be afraid of not using a hair product, and body product for any amount of time. :roll:


On topic: Lol Oats Smackman? and nice Suraru.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Smackman » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:18 pm

Yep oats have vitamin E, its good stuff
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yeah blue i dont even know, you basically told me to cite sources for something thats proved by math. and the russels teapot thing was the strongest argument you had there.

skimmed over the rest of it but thats absolutely ridiculous, you fucked up, i called you out on it, and now you're trying to prove that you're the master of logic because you're taking a class...
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Thee Pie Man » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:23 pm

Smackman Wrote:Yep oats have vitamin E, its good stuff


You get breakfast in the shower, it's Genius I say. Genius!

Lol just kidding, yeah I getcha :o that's interesting. I just lather my body with goat milk soap and that's about it now a days.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Zeus Kabob » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:54 pm

Dude Smackman, you're so wrong it hurts.

Blue said "just because people are scared to do it doesn't make doing it a good idea". He cited a very different situation where being scared to do something was a good thing. You failed to understand his point.

Then this all blew out of proportion. Blue's still trying to prove that what he did was a proper logical construct.

Also, remember that he never said "going without soap is a bad idea because it's the same as jumping off a cliff". All he said is that fear isn't necessarily an indicator of something that you should pursue.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Thee Pie Man » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:07 pm

I am curious Suraru, what kind of natural soap do you use? O:
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Suraru » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:21 pm

Ummm, when I get back home I will tell you. It smells like lavender, and I do not like...
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Thee Pie Man » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:41 pm

Suraru Wrote:Ummm, when I get back home I will tell you. It smells like lavender, and I do not like...


Alright, the kind I use smells like sandal bark, not the best smell in the world but it beats smelling like a sweaty guy after a work out xD I couldn't find lavender in the soap I used, I like the smell of Lavender :? XD
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Suraru » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:44 pm

I do know, it was a least $7, for a bottle about half the size of a normal Axe Old Spice Shampoo bottle...
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby jayjaycaps » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:52 pm

Axe, bah! Old Spice all the way!
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Suraru » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:52 pm

Did I say axe? I meant old spice ^^'
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby BlueLight » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:37 pm

Zeus Kabob Wrote:Dude Smackman, you're so wrong it hurts.

Blue said "just because people are scared to do it doesn't make doing it a good idea". He cited a very different situation where being scared to do something was a good thing. You failed to understand his point.

Then this all blew out of proportion. Blue's still trying to prove that what he did was a proper logical construct.

Also, remember that he never said "going without soap is a bad idea because it's the same as jumping off a cliff". All he said is that fear isn't necessarily an indicator of something that you should pursue.

Thank you. Also i'm still waiting on the cite from smack and do any of you under stand that logic is filled with assumptions?
I filled out a MLA cite completely to the best of my abilities and the least he could do is give a link to what he was citing.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Zeus Kabob » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:45 am

Not even a rant at me, so I'm all good.

I get the feeling that smackman is trying to graciously leave without us noticing, but I doubt it will work.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Icaelus » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:51 am

Hah, now I'll have to try bathing without soap. Wonder how long before people start looking at me like I'm a hobo or something.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby BlueLight » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:14 am

Zeus Kabob Wrote:Not even a rant at me, so I'm all good.

I get the feeling that smackman is trying to graciously leave without us noticing, but I doubt it will work.

Sure it is. He spouts nonsense about me doing a fallacy, i do action, he then claims i lie, and i do another longer action.
it's a snowball effect where i have to defend my self against false claims that have no proof but defending my self leads to more false claims without proof.

This might be called "poisoning-the-well" but i doubt it, and if it was poisoning the well then it might also be a fallacy called "half truth" which is basically taking the literal meaning on what some one said.
in fact if i just had the deductive logic in my argument, you could claim i was using this fallacy; the reason is that nearly everyone means something slightly different then what they said when dealing with values. Since i didn't use the deductive logic as my only arguing point, it's not a half truth and I state that smack didn't mean for his argument to work like that.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Zeus Kabob » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:16 am

It would be "poisoning the well" if he did so before you said your bit. In this case, it's only trite denial.

I commend you for your retention of sanity through this.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby BlueLight » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:24 am

Zeus Kabob Wrote:It would be "poisoning the well" if he did so before you said your bit. In this case, it's only trite denial.

I commend you for your retention of sanity through this.

Thanks. I think my critical reasoning teacher would cringe if he saw what smack is doing. in at least half of his post since the "scare" debate, he's been breaking some rule of arguing or another.
I don't hold smack to that standard however (for the most part.) since some of the stuff seem to be subjective in a way. (More guide lines than rules, however, if you don't follow the guide lines, then your likely to be stepping in to a fallacy. but again this really depends on the person and it doesn't sound like a lot of people use these guide lines.)
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Smackman » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:36 pm

i was waiting for you to finish sucking eachothers dicks... seriously though, there was nothing to cite blue, do you cite a dictionary for every term you use? I googled fallacies to see if I could find the name of the one you were using.

and thats still all you really got on me, you're a logic student who doesnt know what any of the fallacies are by name i guess?

First of all a lot of your argument was based on assumptions about what I meant about people being afraid of showering without soap. You went on to explain that people are also afraid of jumping off a cliff and dying. And said "just because people are afraid of them doesnt make it smart". in this context you basically equated 2 unrelated things, condoning ignorance due to fear, possibly derailing the thread topic and implying im a dumbass who would jump off a cliff.

Yeah comparing 2 unrelated things making it sound like something is going to kill you is deceitful, at the very least you were calling a few of the posters in this thread dumbasses

know what the reality of it is? the first post you made was based off of a caricaturisation of what I said... thats called a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT... do I have to cite a dictionary for that one or what?
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Smackman » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:37 pm

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Re: Giving up soap

Postby BlueLight » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:57 pm

Smackman Wrote:First of all a lot of your argument was based on assumptions about what I meant about people being afraid of showering without soap. You went on to explain that people are also afraid of jumping off a cliff and dying. And said "just because people are afraid of them doesnt make it smart". in this context you basically equated 2 unrelated things, condoning ignorance due to fear, possibly derailing the thread topic and implying im a dumbass who would jump off a cliff.

I disagree.
Smackman Wrote:Yeah comparing 2 unrelated things making it sound like something is going to kill you is deceitful, at the very least you were calling a few of the posters in this thread dumbasses


You were bitching about "ME" getting my oil changed. The reason why the two things tie in to each other is because of the fear factor and smart factor.
Smackman Wrote:know what the reality of it is? the first post you made was based off of a caricaturisation of what I said... thats called a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT... do I have to cite a dictionary for that one or what?

No. if fact i don't have a problem if you normally don't cite. but if you are going off of someone else's authority, then be ready to cite it.
My request was reasonable and i didn't just do it because i wasn't ready to admit the fallacy(the first time.) The reason why i requested it was because I had information from a instructor.
What i don't get is the bullshit of "It logically doesn't make sense". fine if something i say doesn't logically make sense then thats one thing, but to use information from a source and then wont cite it when requested seems twofaced.

As for citing a dictionary, I might have to. if i was to say "I saw a Haka swimming in a city pool." then you might want to know what a Haka is. Now you ask me and i say and fish but, you decided to google it and get something about a war cry. I don't see why i shouldn't have to cite my source on this.
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Re: Giving up soap

Postby Suraru » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:35 pm

Ok, come on guys, cut it out.
If an argument with you guys will include insults, just bring it to PM instead of spamming the forum.
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