Game over...

[jessez83]

I have thouroughly enjoyed all the work everyone has put in to LoK, but one thing i noticed is there is no game over chance. it neems like there is no way for you to lose. i think there is a lack of chanenge to the game. the corruption meter is a good idea but maybe a stamina bar and the chance of being forced into a rape scene. what say the neglect of a paticulat character coulkd end up on them taking the initiative.

[Renara]

A few different game-mechanics are being discussed. While it's unlikely you'll have the ability to lose outright, or "die", there will be some areas where you'll need to do a bit more work to proceed.

Stamina was actually one of the first stats discussed in the public forums; if it gets too low then Krystal will pass out, and wake up at the nearest suitable bed ready to try again, passing out of course isn't going to earn you any rewards, as it'll prevent you from completing the scene she was performing.

At least that's the idea, how the stats will be in the game is still being discussed as I say.

[Scyggy]

I have a suggestion or two on this note... or rather, a pair of suggested custom game overs/temporary setbacks that shouldn't be too hard to work in.

Essentially, these would happen if you failed to retrieve a certain item/do a certain thing before trying to do something else. Afterward, you'd get sent back to the starting point, possibly sans some experience or with certain items confiscated so you need to retrieve them before you try again.

Firstly, Punishment End. You get caught trying to escape the Sharpclaws, or some other group captures you when you try to leave their area without doing something or getting an item to clear the way first. They put Krystal in stocks in a public area, either classic hands and head or waist and hands, for better breast access. She spends some period of time there (imply months, perhaps) before either escaping or getting let loose for whatever reason.

Second, Pregnancy End. Something, possibly an ovipositor (egglayer, seeds from a plant would work too) gets Krystal preggers instantly, so she can't move around quickly enough to move on. She has to go back and have the monster offspring before going on. Probably best if you leave it to non-humanoids, so there's no question of what the kids do. Either wild animals that leave the nest immediately or plants.

Just my two cents.

[Renara]

Hmm, nice ideas; such scenes could make an interesting change from the default passing out and waking up at the nearest bed. We'll likely keep it simple for the first few releases though!

[Armisael]

I love the punishment and pregnancy ideas. Especially the having to give birth part of it.
But I agree, the "baby" would have to be none humanoid for it to make sense in the story.

[trunks2585]

On these ideas, I'd advise against them if like in say the punishment one the punishment lasts months. by then fox is likely to be as good as dead and krystal will have given up compleatly, so no since to continuing. pregnancy i'm not a fan of personally but i wouldn't be hardcore against it either if the birth is fairly quickly, relating back to my point on the punishment idea.

honestly i think both would be better as just true 'game over' scenes of krystal giving up in utter defeat, than 'oh well a minor setback, back to the adventure' (seriously how is giving birth to some monster thing a minor setback?)

[Smackman]

I agree with trunks, those two would have to alter the entire plot... If they led the story in a tangent or something it would be fine... Although pregnancy is getting into the gross stuff

[Vyksen]

If you plan on getting literal about the pregnancy for those of you who like accuracy, dino and various other creatures outside of Krystal's species couldn't impregnate her due to the difference of DNA.
Maybe you could have a creature branched off of Krystal's species that could still have the DNA compounds to match? She wouldn't have to worry about getting pregnant by everyone other than a few closely related to her.
It's kinda like the whole lion+tiger= liger thing.

[Kalypso]

If you plan on getting literal about the pregnancy for those of you who like accuracy, dino and various other creatures outside of Krystal's species couldn't impregnate her due to the difference of DNA.
Maybe you could have a creature branched off of Krystal's species that could still have the DNA compounds to match? She wouldn't have to worry about getting pregnant by everyone other than a few closely related to her.
It's kinda like the whole lion+tiger= liger thing.

True, but it'd be like if a tentacle impregnates a woman. Does she become pregnant with a half tentacle half person? No. She gives birth to a tentacle.
Basically, following the basic rules of anime-stylization: there are no technical rules. She'd be a nest for the baby. The Sharpclaws would probably impregnate what would turn into giant eggs, which would then come out eventually, drop and break into some baby sharpclaw if we even went through with a pregnancy thing. I wouldn't mind seeing her slowing become thicker and thicker, while she's pregnant, and eventually be pregnant, but I wouldn't want it to be an instant deal.
Maybe we could just make her a cum bucket, and eventually she'd get so full that she'd let out all the cum.
But both suggestions are extremely improbably in reality. But why not?

[Vyksen]

True, but it'd be like if a tentacle impregnates a woman. Does she become pregnant with a half tentacle half person? No. She gives birth to a tentacle.
Basically, following the basic rules of anime-stylization: there are no technical rules. She'd be a nest for the baby. The Sharpclaws would probably impregnate what would turn into giant eggs, which would then come out eventually, drop and break into some baby sharpclaw if we even went through with a pregnancy thing. I wouldn't mind seeing her slowing become thicker and thicker, while she's pregnant, and eventually be pregnant, but I wouldn't want it to be an instant deal.
Maybe we could just make her a cum bucket, and eventually she'd get so full that she'd let out all the cum.
But both suggestions are extremely improbably in reality. But why not?

I was just thinking...
What if she could eat an herb to prevent pregnancy? Kinda like birth control...
I don't know, pregnancy in this game is kinda iffy...

[trunks2585]

we're starting to get into fetishes, and we've already said that's a touchy subject, i think these ideas are best left for another time.

[Smackman]

Yeah i really wouldnt want to play a pregnant chick... and the cum bucket thing is just gross, shed go septic realistically but even if not its a fucking chick loaded with manjuice

[Kalypso]

I was just thinking...
What if she could eat an herb to prevent pregnancy? Kinda like birth control...
I don't know, pregnancy in this game is kinda iffy...

Yeah, but in my book, so is androgyny--and its becoming quite the talk of the town. All we're doing is getting ideas out there.

[Vyksen]

I was just thinking...
What if she could eat an herb to prevent pregnancy? Kinda like birth control...
I don't know, pregnancy in this game is kinda iffy...

Yeah, but in my book, so is androgyny--and its becoming quite the talk of the town. All we're doing is getting ideas out there.

I ain't too big on androgyny either. I don't quite get it.
But being back on the discussion I don't think that this game really has much of a "game over" concept to it... Other than fainting from fatigue...

[Smackman]

androgyny is kind of gross too

[trunks2585]

pokemon didnt have much of a game over to it either other than blacking/whiting out and starting at the nearest pokemon center, I see no harm in going that route with this game, even with the original preg/punishment scenes the suggestion was it would only delay you somewhat, is anyone really wanting a strick game over scene?

[Smackman]

"YOU LOSE FUCKING NOOB, GO PLAY TETRIS" should be the message

[Ketsueki]

I am opposed to anything leading to 'birth' in this story-line. However I don't see a problem with using magic or any other means to have Krystal lay eggs or something else like that. It would make sense if she had to carry plants that grew on cum and then were laid out by her to bud again. It would also make sense for any creature that merely uses her womb as an incubator. The magic item could be used to make her womb combine the 'samples' from two or more males of the same/similar species in to a new egg or two.

[Renara]

Well, when I commented I wasn't meaning the ideas exactly as written; I think if such things were included, they'd be short, and just end up with Krystal waking up normally, the idea being to add a little variation.

For example, the punishment one would just have a quick scene of her in stocks, with some eager looking NPCs forming a crowd around her, cut to her waking up.
Likewise with pregnancy, as already commented it would probably be something unusual like tentacles, so a rapid pregnancy wouldn't be surprising, the scene could just be Krystal looking down at her swollen belly and making a sort of dismayed noise, then waking up again, possibly with a nearby NPC commenting on it "We weren't expecting a newborn to be quite so fast...or have tentacles, what have you been doing with yourself?"

No need to go into too much depth or really explore any particular kinks in such scenes, just enough to provide a bit of variation as appropriate, a bit of humour, and for those that are really into them; their imagination may just have to suffice

[Scyggy]

Just my two cents, like I said. Nothing especially fetishistic should be unavoidable... at most, you run into it once and learn not to do it again if you don't like it.

I would hope for at least someone already tapping it, maybe from both ends, plus frosting, on the stocks event.

As for oviposition, a bulge traveling down the tentacle would satisfy, though watching her belly bulge as it loaded her up would also be nice. Expression of disbelief and shock as she realizes what its doing would be a bonus.


Ketsueki gives me an interesting idea for a mini-quest: a spot where you have to retrieve a seed from a tentacle plant, and then fertilize it with either a lot of cum or cum from a specific creature. Once you 'planted' it in the right spot, it would grow into a vine/vines you could climb up to the next area.



And I apologize if my suggestions of fetishistic events offend... but I don't do vanilla