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V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:20 pm
by Kalypso
Every now and then I'll be showing off content that I made that didn't make the cut for V0.3 on this thread.
This is the reason V0.3 is taking so long. Each model you see here has been cut off for quality control--we either had problems with the perspective of the model or just the quality and look of the model itself.
The characters that you see here may or may not appear in v0.3, but these models most certainly won't.

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Sharpclaw Seductress - Castaway revealed 6/23/2010

Krystal - Castaway revealed 6/20/2010

Suicune - Castaway revealed 6/17/2010

Cynthia - Castaway revealed 7/5/2010

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:21 pm
by Kalypso
Suicune
Suicune5.png
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What's wrong? Perspective. PERSPECTIVE. And hands. And feet and legs. OH--and no pussy.
You'll see Suicune at some point in the LoK timeline, just not this one.

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:33 pm
by hididilly
Well, this is what everyone's waiting for, and we have another reason why v 0.3 is takin' so long (Another one being that it takes time to produce epicsauce on awesometoast :D ). Thanks for the post Kal :)

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:41 pm
by Kalypso
hididilly Wrote:Well, this is what everyone's waiting for, and we have another reason why v 0.3 is takin' so long (Another one being that it takes time to produce epicsauce on awesometoast :D ). Thanks for the post Kal :)

np, and thanks for the response ^^.
There will be more up on this thread in the future, as there has been a lot of trial and error in the past and I don't want to give it all away in one sitting.
I'm not going to lie, I've wanted to show you guys stuff for months, it's too bad that the stuff is trash that won't be used. But hey, it's something, right?

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:58 pm
by kuja
I really really cant like pokemon. I cant. I didnt expected that you would mix something beyond the universe of StarFox. Anyway, Good work. We're still waiting for the official lauch/release. Thanks for the info. ;D

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:03 pm
by bobsen
I approve of this Kalypso

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:08 pm
by Kalypso
kuja Wrote:I really really cant like pokemon. I cant. I didnt expected that you would mix something beyond the universe of StarFox.

Then you will be very afraid of future versions of LoK past V0.3. Each one of those links takes you to your worst nightmares. Pokemon. And just so you can be even more afraid, read the first four letters of each topic in the Poll's forum.
Sorry if I put you into a epileptic seizure, lol.
There isn't a single thread in that forum begin with "Poke-" except for the forum rules. Go on, check again, I'm totally serious.

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:41 pm
by kuja
I know its true. I only dont like it at all, i do not hate it. Im sure this wont change my opinnion about the game. Because its a great game. Even with that ill play it; and im sure ill like it. About my expectations, i just was not expecting. I was curious. ;P

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:58 pm
by Bakki
i like this suicune :3 but needs moar pussy xD

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:24 am
by Vyksen
Image
I did a quick hour edit. I would have been faster, but my tablet is placed in an awkward angle. Oh, and it's hard to do tablet free-hand. That left foot is a bitch, and I didn't know what to do with it. So apologies.
Maybe this could provide of some form of help?
If not, oh well. Was fun to edit anyways.
Oh, and doesn't Suicine have those little two long flowy tendrils?
I added that.

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:35 am
by kuja
damn, everybody have a tablet; how can i buy one? did u guys know a good site?

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:37 am
by Vyksen
Wacom.com

My tablet is a wacom. Good quality. Very good. I recommend it.

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:21 am
by Kalypso
No, it's fine, I'm glad you wanted to contribute, Vyksen. Honestly, the problems with the model are problems I am well aware of, and if it wasn't for the perspective problems, I would have already fixed them. I think the big tell-all problems with this are the perspective in-game coupled with line thickness. If you already haven't heard my lectures about how my characters take longer to make because they're all done with a mouse, and they will load 50% faster than models drawn by hand... well, you're about to.

Every single line on each character has a certain amount of weight, and since I want to give the outlines a much more attractive look I sometimes forget to balance the thickness of the outlines with others when I was first making models for the game. Luckily, for all models after Suicune, I had no problems doing this because I know exactly what to do. I have such a hard time deciding upon adding in other modelers, because their heads would explode doing the same thing I do and most of them will do it the way they think is most natural--the tablet, or the pen tool with pressure sensitivity on (and that's not the best way, I can tell you). Yes, models drawn with the pen tool as precise vector shapes load much faster in flash than organic meshes drawn by hand, because each outline is precisely plotted individually as separate shapes. Faster and looks prettier ^^.

The perspective we're working with in game is not 3/4 view--this model is done at 3/4 view. That's a problem, because walking cycles for this character will just look plain bad and odd.

Oh, and if you're going to buy a tablet, make sure you're spending $200-300 at least. My tablet cost me $899, and it's got a screen.
Don't buy the Bamboo. You'll just waste your money--you want something with at least 800+ levels of pressure (PPI), otherwise you'll get a tablet that can't comprehend natural movement of the wrist, and you'll end up conforming to the nature of the tablet when you want to draw. It's very hectic and confusing, and it becomes very inconveniencing to your hand if you don't.

Bakki Wrote:i like this suicune :3 but needs moar pussy xD

You'll see pussy at some point, but I'll make sure the pussy you see is real, not some curling crease drawn with sharpie on her crotch. Well, it might be, considering the Castaways I have lined up. Might even have Tom Hanks in there. J/k, lol xD

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:38 am
by kuja
l 0 l

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:30 am
by guilmonex
How about this?
Suicune edit.PNG

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:47 pm
by Kalypso
guilmonex Wrote:How about this?
Suicune edit.PNG

I'm glad you're interested in helping out, guilmonex, but again, what's wrong isn't something you can fix with an edit. Although I would have fixed what's already wrong with it, It's a perspective problem, which means the entire model has to be redone. The perspective we're working with in game is practically a 4/7 view (when the planes are measured with 0 degrees as 1/2 views)--this model is done at 3/4 view. That's a problem, because walking cycles for this character won't look right.

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:04 pm
by justanidea
Hi, I corrected it very fastly with guilmonex's picture , I hope it will be useful ;) (It's my first action in the forum... so be gentle lol now I can use a graphic tablet and help a little if it's possible, so enjoy)
I think it will resolve the perspective's problem, but the left foot should be a little more opened... but again I'm not an expert... I don't really like the idea of a pokemon in the starfox environment of the game, but I'm not against to give a hand if you like it :9
Scuse me but.... how do we submit a picture ?? (god i'm ashamed...)

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:27 pm
by Renara
justanidea Wrote:Scuse me but.... how do we submit a picture ?? (god i'm ashamed...)

Beneath where you enter the text of a post, there are two tabs, options, and "Upload attachment", click the upload attachment one to add files to your post!

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:28 pm
by guilmonex
I understood the problem, I knew she needs to be redo.
Well, I just want to show those parts look better in that way.

Re: V0.3 Castaways

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:30 pm
by justanidea
Thanks... Here we go, the character needs to be redrawn but I don't like to delete a "lost" picture... hope it can be used ^^