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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Haldor » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:21 am

Niara Wrote:Lolicon depicts underage entites in sexual situations, yes... the game depicts rape and torment. Both of these things are illegal in real life, and I can't think that any conscionable person would ever promote or condone either.-Niara


Yeah, I hate it when people use this argument!

That's like saying "I've seen Batman. Therefore I want to blow up hospitals." QED! :geek:
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Niara » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:35 am

Right-o then, it seems most folk are simply being so reactionary because of the legal grounds, and not wanting the whole project to get pounced on, and certainly fair enough.

For the record though, whatever the legalities the narrow-minded, stupidly backward countries' governements (America, I'm looking at you...), rape games /= actual people being raped or traumatised... drawings of multi-dicked she-demons /= surgically altered real-life fucking monsters, and drawings of juvenile forms engaged in sexual activty /= real children being hurt in any way. And I won't draw the comparison in regards to beastiality, because personally... I'll just say I've got a Border Collie, and he likes to do certain things to me after his morning run most mornings, and in most cases I wouldn't dream of telling him no.

As for the whole rape thing, Trunks... it's a really hazy area for me. Blessings of internet anonymity, I can say this, beuase no-one knows me, but, over the course of my life thus far, I've been in several situations which my friends whom I've told have all unanimously agreed were rapes, but in all bar one case, I don't think of them so, and I don't feel that they were, for me. I'll give you the most pointed example, to show where I stand. A couple of years ago, when I was perhaps a little over 20, I was out at a nightclub, and I was, shall we say, intending to have someone between my legs before night's end... So, I was cruising and socialising and prowling, I guess, and eventually picked out a guy that was to my tastes and let him know what I was thinking, and we went back to one of the empty rooms in the club.

I'm halfway through shucking off my top and slipping out of my bra when I see that three of this jerk's friends have followe dhim in, and locked the door behind them, so I back off, hands up and tell them that I'm seriously not up for that, and for them all to leave or I would, but it seemed like, by that point, they'd all gone selectively deaf to my voice. So, they all start to lay their hands on me, and this is what happens next: I do nothing. I let it happen.

I am a fit and healthy individual, I'm strong for my appearance, and I'm quite well trained the two different styles of martial art (aikido and judo), and well as an independant personalised fighting style I've developed for myself to fill in the gaps that those two leave. I don't drink, and therefor had not been that evening. It would have been a simple thing for me to escape that situation; I could easily have broken several bones in seeing them off, and likely would have broken at least one neck, probably two. But I dind't. Instead, I gave in, and let them have their way with my body until they were done and left me alone.

Now, everyone of my friends that I've told about this incident has said that I was most obviously, plainly, and unarguably raped... that there was no question in the matter, but I disagree... I don't think I was, in that case, and I don't feel like I was. I feel, rather, like I allowed it to happen; effectively, that I chose to allow it to happen, when I just as easily might not have. I could have prevented it, but I didn't try to, and thus it wasn't truly rape, to me.

It does, however, colour my standing; whenever I hear a story about a girl claiming rape, I look at it, and as often as not, I determine that the girl in question could quite easily prevented it from happening... and thereby lose my ability to feel sympathy for her. Perhaps I am horribly scarred, and that is the manifestation of it... but I don't think so.

So... is reluctant consent really rape? Is pressured consent really rape? In my mind, unless it becomes a forced affair (and that forcing doens't need to be physical, I admit), then no.

In the case of Krystal, here, it makes it hard to say in my mind: she is a capable and intelligent individual, and had other options available to her (but you know, that'd be no fun for us...). She opted to run with the path of least resistance, submitting with nary a whimper to their demands... so easily, in fact, that they might as well have been gentle requests, for the most part. As such, I feel like saying that she has decided to take this course as the means to achieving her end, and however much she isn't enjoying it, however unpleasant or downright painful, it stopped being rape the moment she stepped onto that path.

-Niara

P.S. If this post hasn't made it abundantly clear by this point, yes, I'm a female behind the keys here, so don't bother with the 'insensitive male pig' comments.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby DemonFiren » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:36 pm

Hm. I guess I find it a tad strange how you can lose your sympathy for a woman in the cases mentioned before. After all, not everybody knows how to defend herself.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Niara » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:08 pm

I guess I find it a tad strange how you can lose your sympathy for a woman in the cases mentioned before. After all, not everybody knows how to defend herself.


Oh no, not necessarily in situations like that... I lose the ability to sympathise in cases where, upon examination, I feel that the 'victim' could have easily prevented the situation. Suppose one of my friends went through what I did; they, unlike myself, haven't the strength or training to force their way clear of such a circumstance, and thus, if the pricks in question had forced the matter, as they would have, she would have fallen victuim no matter how she struggled or fought, no matter what she said or did... and it would be that: the inability to prevent the unwanted, which would make it rape.

The intent of the atacker to commit rape should the target prove unwilling is not the sole factor in something being a rape or not, in my mind... In my mind, if the victim has it in their power to prevent it, and they do not, then it cannot be called rape. Again, I'm not talking only about physicality; someone can be physically able, but mentally or emotionally bound and gagged, screaming, crying and raging in their own mind even as they, for all outward appearances, submit and appease... The one case where I would say that I had been raped was just such an occasion, and it was a markedly different, and worse, torment to the one I outlined above, which was simply disgusting, unpleasant, painful and offensive.

Most people would disagree vehemently with my view and stance on the matter, which is why I'm making very clear that it is just how I feel about it, in my own mind; Folk would probably attribute my view to my having suffered several sexually traumatic events in the course of my life so far, but to them I say that it simply qualifies me more than most to take such a position...

I'm sorry, to all who read for spilling out that story to all and sundry... but I've found inthe past that if I simply put my own view out there without doing so, I get shouted at a lot and called unpleasant names... the antagonism aways seems to lessen once I explain where I'm coming from.

Once agian, sorry for derailing.

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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Xananos » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:51 pm

While I must agree with you, I can safely say that all the best arguments in the world won't change the world's mind.

That being said, I feel necessary to emulate what the rest of the world will say: "Cool story, sis."
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Niara » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:53 pm

Xananos Wrote:While I must agree with you, I can safely say that all the best arguments in the world won't change the world's mind.


**smirk** Yeah, I know... the world can be a bit silly like that.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby DemonFiren » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:41 pm

There are no silly opinions. Everybody thinks theirs is the best :/
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Workhorse » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:19 pm

Promoting rape and presexual intercourse isn't cool dudes. From a legal standpoint there's nothing wrong with it (cartoon herpderp) but we have a moral prerogative to promote healthy sexual relations in any community. Does "no!" sometimes mean "yes!" and is that a healthy way to express oneself sexually? Absolutely. Get a fucking safe word. The type of intercourse in this game pretty obviously falls into that category as she's chomping at the bit and doesn't refuse at any point. There's a difference between rough sex and rape.

Btw rough sex is pretty big in America. Degrading women for fun and profits is our number 1 export.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Renara » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:04 pm

Well, while Krystal's obviously in a less than favourable situation in the game, I think our overall aim is to leave it up to the player as much as possible as to whether Krystal's being horribly raped by everything in sight, reluctantly enjoying the local talent, an uncontrollable horny slut, or if it just doesn't matter at all to them :)
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Haldor » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:43 pm

Renara Wrote:Well, while Krystal's obviously in a less than favourable situation in the game, I think our overall aim is to leave it up to the player as much as possible as to whether Krystal's being horribly raped by everything in sight, reluctantly enjoying the local talent, an uncontrollable horny slut, or if it just doesn't matter at all to them :)


Is that trademark expression acceptance, reluctance or shyness? :lol:
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Workhorse » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:23 am

Hey Ren I have a fanimation I'd like to post up. Is there a forum for such things or is this forum fine?
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Kalypso » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:41 am

Workhorse Wrote:Hey Ren I have a fanimation I'd like to post up. Is there a forum for such things or is this forum fine?

Post it on the Creative Corner as it's own thread.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby TheKnight » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:57 am

Stop talking about the loli hentai, some people get off to it and others don't.
Plot don't matter.

Back onto the matter at hand, is anybody planning for footjobs? I'm not like a huge foot person, but some cute girls wearing soft socks? Yeah, that's about right.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Octogon » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:54 am

Renara Wrote:Well, while Krystal's obviously in a less than favourable situation in the game, I think our overall aim is to leave it up to the player as much as possible as to whether Krystal's being horribly raped by everything in sight, reluctantly enjoying the local talent, an uncontrollable horny slut, or if it just doesn't matter at all to them :)


This is actually an issue I've been thinking about, as one of the projects I've been working on is a smallish LoK fan project. The sex scenes in my project are more dialog-heavy (though there's plenty of art), which means there's a lot less ambiguity in the nature of the sex and how the characters are reacting. Thus far I've written with the assumption that the sex scenes in LoK are rapes (as that's how I've always seen them), but it occurred to me that others might be turned off by that. I'd be curious to hear what the LoK community has to say. Would that kind of text bother you, or improve the experience?
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Niara » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:46 am

More dialogue, if it's well written is always an improvement for me, personally.... although this might be expected of me: I write fan-smut to begin with.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Kimber » Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:33 am

Well-written dialogue is always a plus, unless reading it becomes a heroic effort (I have to admit to having occasionally made use of the handy 'Skip' button on a few games here and there after the first playthrough). I had made the rape assumption, too, given that there is a 'do this and get away' storyline. Obviously there is choice involved since (at least in v.2) it is not just a handful of Sharpclaw appearing out of nowhere and roughing Krystal up before getting their jollies, but it still qualifies as rape in my mind as her choices are quite limited. Of course, if the post-credits scene has her come back later and crash her next flier on purpose, my argument is moot.

Either scenario is still hot, in my mind.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby wizard » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:07 am

The rape aspect of this game is the turn on for me. That being said I believe there is a fetish thread somewhere in the forums.
Krystal, Samus, Peach, whoever; just rape a bitch.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby SteelSaurus » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:01 am

I ad figured you were female quite some time ago, but reading you little P.S. makes me want to yell 'Insensative Male Pig!' anyway, mainly because I've never gotten to yell that at someone.
I'll get right on it! Eventually...
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Csbears » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:04 am

i second Wizard... It befuddles me how rape or consensual rape in the game are any reason to get turned off...as long as its the " oh this feels good but its not supposed to " turning into " oh i give in give me teh seks *plow plow* " kind Ive seen in every manga with rape in it. A rape game with its rape being questioned is like not being able to call a whore a whore just because she cant keep'er damn legs shut. If it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck...then I'm sure as shit it must be a duck. This is why i liked this game so much and why i play it every so often....be it that krystals a whore, shes a normal sentient life form who enjoys the act of reproduction, or that rape will be involved i will still consider LoK or previous projects a heavily insinuated rape game.
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Re: Hey big fan of this project and hoping to get involved

Postby Xananos » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:11 am

Building on that, I vote for messy Krystal orgasms in the next one. Not that they're not already planned, but still.
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