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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:28 am

Quick edit again, changed the horn placement and ear size.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Anonymous » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:34 am

still just the hair and how the head dont meld together ya no the colors dont match and stuff
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:44 am

Ok, I'll work on that later.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Anonymous » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:53 am

oh okay cool.
it is going in ur game right
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:01 am

Yep, although idk if I could really call it a game anymore or atleast for a while. I still haven't figured out the coding for movement so it'll just basically be a click and see the animation type thing.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Zeus Kabob » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:23 am

It's looking really good. I like what you're doing here (more characters is always good in my book).
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:54 pm

Thanks zeus, I'll probably have the hair done by tonight, or tomorrow, depends on how much free time I get.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:42 am

I edited the hair a little bit here it is, i think it looks a little better now.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Blargh » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:00 pm

You should probably make the primary color on the face lighter (same as the mid color on the rest of her body), and in the comic her horns are MUCH larger (like twice the size of her ears). I dunno how they are in WoW, though. And you'll probably need to thin out the foot from the ankles to the hoof.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:45 pm

Thanks for the advice Blargh, here's the updated pic.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby ronpepper » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:19 am

The horns are a good size now, but they don't have a good 3-d shape to them. I think the problem is the block of darker color at the core, it makes no sense. But then, the way she's holding her arms makes no sense either. By the way, the hands are too big. It's coming along though.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Kalypso » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:02 am

Hey, I've got some suggestions for you.
1. Take a life drawing class or go to your local community center and see if they offer any life drawing (nude) sessions. Some offer them for free, some have certain days set as free. Just do it, it's very much worth it if you're willing to put in any time to making a game like this.
2. The torso below the neck down to her knee caps seems to be the only thing correctly perpetuated (too a certain extent, being it's hentai not perpetual realism). The first thing i saw was that her arms are too long, and her hands are too large. If her arms are directly by her sides, her fingertips should only reach 3/7-4/7 of her upper leg, depending on your preference. Also, make sure to lower those shoulders, she looks so damn tense.
3. Draenei legs don't look like that. They look like this.
The hooves start halfway up from the bottom of the leg, not 1/4 up, and the curve is more like a boomerang-style bend. This creates 3 visible joints on the leg, even if only two are used. For a better rendition of the bottom hoove, look at the shape of a stiletto heel.
4. Cut that neck in half.
5. The head is... misshapen. My main concerns are with the flatness of the top of the head, how far out her jaw flings, and the placement of her ear. Try putting hair over her neck, and out from behind her ear to make it so that she doesn't appear to have such a 'fat' head. I say fat, because the jaw line you've constucted adds several pounds to her face, making her appear weighty up there. Cut that jawline a bit closer to the ear instead of so low. And make sure the top of her head is more rounded, so she doesn't appear to have a block-head. Also, make the ear longer and move it further back a pinch.
6. The horn appears to have that 'copy-paste' style to it. You can eradicate that by taking a tablet and redrawing it using the color scheme she already has established with a thicker line for tracing.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby ronpepper » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:26 am

@Kal: This drawing should look familiar. It is a tweaking of a tracing of a tracing of PlayShapes' Samus -- some artists can't draw, but they try, using the same sprite over and over.

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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Kalypso » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:53 pm

ronpepper Wrote:@Kal: This drawing should look familiar. It is a tweaking of a tracing of a tracing of PlayShapes' Samus -- some artists can't draw, but they try, using the same sprite over and over.

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Yeah, I know. I did a model of a Draenei Krystal long ago and it would be perfect for this. If I could only find all my old stuff.Oh wait I can't, I have no access to the dev forum any longer and the backup HDD with all my LoK work died. I'd love to have access to all my stuff again for two days so I could grab it, back it up and share it with the community in a large zip file off my MF so I can stop getting PM's saying "I NEED YOUR MODELS PLEASE GIVE THEM TO ME." And believe me, my inbox is full of that. I know Ren is pretty damn stubby about a lot of things, and after what I've said to him, he's probably not going to let me get my own work back anyway. I'd apologize, but Ren really needs to learn how to work as a team player, and by banning us from the team, he's proved that everything we were trying to tell him for the last year proved nothing. Sad too--all my work and 600+ posts are unviewable. That's just not how human beings deal with people trying to help them out. 300+ hours of work, completely unviewable. Thanks Ren, sorry I helped with your project.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby trunks2585 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:40 pm

Nice rant there Kal, not that I blame ya.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:38 pm

Better?
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby haloman » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:17 am

Kalypso Wrote:
ronpepper Wrote:@Kal: This drawing should look familiar. It is a tweaking of a tracing of a tracing of PlayShapes' Samus -- some artists can't draw, but they try, using the same sprite over and over.

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sigh.

Yeah, I know. I did a model of a Draenei Krystal long ago and it would be perfect for this. If I could only find all my old stuff.Oh wait I can't, I have no access to the dev forum any longer and the backup HDD with all my LoK work died. I'd love to have access to all my stuff again for two days so I could grab it, back it up and share it with the community in a large zip file off my MF so I can stop getting PM's saying "I NEED YOUR MODELS PLEASE GIVE THEM TO ME." And believe me, my inbox is full of that. I know Ren is pretty damn stubby about a lot of things, and after what I've said to him, he's probably not going to let me get my own work back anyway. I'd apologize, but Ren really needs to learn how to work as a team player, and by banning us from the team, he's proved that everything we were trying to tell him for the last year proved nothing. Sad too--all my work and 600+ posts are unviewable. That's just not how human beings deal with people trying to help them out. 300+ hours of work, completely unviewable. Thanks Ren, sorry I helped with your project.
Found it on my third backup drive. Luckily, I have 4 2TB backup drives and both mirror each other. Never can be too careful.
Anyway, until the big load comes... just as proof that I found it...
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You oldies should remember this.

Kall i donnt blame you. I loved your work. It sucks that it all got deleated, but you said you found it and proved it. So im very happy! I cant wait to see it and im sure alot of people are excited as well. Good luck!
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby ronpepper » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:28 am

xPxHxOxExNxIxXx Wrote:Better?


Sigh. It looks like you tried to tweak the horn, but this is really what I had in mind. I half-assed it but you get the idea. Now.. I don't know why I'm doing this, total waste of time since you aren't going to follow Kal's advice and learn 2 draw. But anyways, at least you're trying and draenei are a subject matter I enjoy:).
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby xPxHxOxExNxIxXx » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:36 am

I see what you mean, also I'll work on the drawing thing although I can't guarantee that I will be good at it.
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Re: Strange Aquantances

Postby Kalypso » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:01 am

trunks2585 Wrote:Nice rant there Kal, not that I blame ya.

lol, I was going to delete it, but I hate deleting parts of my post. It just feels wrong.

xPxHxOxExNxIxXx Wrote:I see what you mean, also I'll work on the drawing thing although I can't guarantee that I will be good at it.

Depends on how hard you work. The harder you work, the stronger the guarrentee.
Anyway, it's not that hard. Just pick up a pencil, some printer paper and start tracing pictures of nudes. Then, take off the training wheels and draw from life. Or draw from hentai. Whatever floats your boat. Tracing gets images in your mind a lot quicker, and if you can get better at tracing you'll eventually figure out where things need to go, and you can begin to make things without needing a reference image. It's a good technique for people who weren't naturally born with the visual mindset, or those who didn't feel like acting on it much in their youth. It's also an extreme time saver for people with the talent, and makes progress go much faster.
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