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Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Storm » Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:37 am

I truly wished to give critiques on the current version, and give ideas for new content. However, after looking through the creativity corner and seeing the new artwork being used (which I must say is beautiful, and if you think it is a low bar, then obviously the stuff you are using is going to blow me away) I find many critiques I planned to have are rendered moot. And, if the storyline of the game changes as much as the artwork, even /more/ of my critiques are rendered moot. However, on the off chance you'd like to hear my critiques and ideas for the current version of the game. I shall give them. However, I first have a few questions to ask, and if one of the staff would be so kind as to answer them, I'd be much obliged. And, if you think that these questions would reveal something that you do not wish to reveal at the time, please tell me :)

1) The Storyline, will it remain (at least so far as it has been shown to us) in the same vein? Or will it change significantly? I don't need specifics, if you wish not to give them. Just a general explanation, or even a yes or no will work.

2) If, as mentioned before, the story /does/ remain the same. Will many parts be relatively familiar, but with updated artwork?

3) Will the cheat button be removed?

4) How many mess layers does Krystal have for each section? As in, when does cum stop accumulating on her? I guess I'm kinda weird, but I feel there aren't enough.

I am sure I will remember more, later. But for now, those are all I can think of.

Now, unto the critiques on V0.2
However! Before I start, let me say I truly enjoy your game. And I hope you understand that, no matter what I say, I do not mean to offend you in any way. I respect greatly what you have done (and are doing) and just wanted to clarify that I am not trying to rip on or flame the game, but merely point out some things that you may, or may not already be aware of. And also, that along with these critiques I may interject with ideas for making them better. Also, few of the critiques will be about the quality of the art, except for the changing of some perspective and poses, because I know you have a talented artist on your staff and don't need help =). Also, later on you'll notice they become rather rapid fire. It's because this post is just really frikkin long and my hands got tired, so I just decided to get them all out before I lost interest in writing n-n;;
Now, I shall begin. (These are in no particular order, except the kind I am seeing as I play the game at this moment.)

The Chair Blow- On this, I would like to say several things.
1) I really dislike how little stamina he seems to have. Because, if you are like me and go through the clips relatively fast, she goes down on him maybe three strokes and then he ejaculates. A few ideas? Have her lick his cock, pay attention to its head, and maybe fondle his balls. I dunno, something. I mean, she is just going up and down on him, no tongue action or anything. He shouldn't get off so easy.
2) When Krystal goes down on him, her tongue's coloration bleeds a little into her lower jaw, which is disconcerting.
3) She goes /way/ too far down on his cock. Unless his penis can pass through neck, or just magically disappear after it enter her mouth, she shouldn't be able to take it into her mouth that much maybe make her muzzle longer? (This can also be applied in other places, which I will talk about later) And, since she is kinda unwilling, I wouldn't think she would /want/ to go down that far without him trying to force her. (Which could be an option)
4) Her eyes like, vibrate after he ejaculates. It's kinda weird, I don't know what else to say on that topic XD
5) His cock moves up and down a rather great degree, like it's a frikkin bouncy ball or something. Again, rather strange.
6) His char seems too small and low to the ground for comfort.
7) He sort of just stares into space, I feel like he should be looking down at Krystal, given, after all, the fact that she's giving him a blow job. And, when he climaxes, there is no movement on his part other than that of his dick. You'd think he'd at least maybe look up, or try and force Krystal to drink his cum by holding her head down.
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8) The female getting fucked, the dicks are way too large for her to take :/ other wise, I like it =3

Sharp Claw Warriors- I just wanted to point out a few things.
1) Pants? Please? Or something in that vein? Not that seeing a bunch of dicks isn't, you know, a turn off for me. But even if they are so coarse as to have sex in public, you'd think they wouldn't always walk around naked from the pauldrons down. Also, if guys were always walking around with penises showing, and stroked themselves in public, I'd probably question their sexuality. you know, under many other things.
2) Actually, more clothes in general. I mean, the females don't walk around bare breasted,(although they don't wear undergarments either). So, it stands to reason.
3) On their dicks, I have to say that the bumps turn me off a little, because they seem too spiky for comfort. And the fact they have some on their heads is just weird. You'd think that area wouldn't have them. Also, the coloration (considering the color of the balls) seems off as well.
4) The drool. HUGE TURN OFF. HUGE. I don't mean to be mean, but if, of all my suggestions, you took one to heart. This would be it. The droll is just really, really a turn off for me.
5) Their hands. They seem to have only two hand animations. More flexibility would be nice.
6) Perhaps more variety in the sprites? Have some that have different color armor? More decorated? Something. :)
7) Smaller dicks, or bigger abdomens on the women. I have to tell you, they should be giving their women internal injuries every thrust. It's (once again) disconcerting. And a turn off n-n;

Sharp Claw Women- Very nice, (I already know that they are deliberate recolors of Krystal that use the same sprite) but a few modifications would help :)
1) Their breasts area little too large (I will overlook the fact that they are reptiles and thus shouldn't have breasts or nipples in the first place). Some might think bigger is better, but they look like they'd have major back problems.
2) Larger abdomens! As mentioned before! They look like they should have /serious/ internal damage in several scenes!
3) Have them look up maybe? That head position looks uncomfortable :/
4) The ass- very sexy <3 but set too far back :/ Also, you shouldn't see her far ass cheek I think. It doesn't flow with the image. Which, by the way seems to change perspective in several places. :x
5) Hair- While I enjoyed it, I felt that in some scenes it would look sexier down instead of up.
6) Clothes, again seems rather strange to want clothes in a sex game, but for realities sake (again putting aside the fact that they are furries... er scalies?) you'd think that they'd wear rather more, and that their bra, breast armor thing would cover more of their boobs.
7) Shoes, it seems like in some scenes they wouldn't need them, and maybe not heels? Those seem impractical.
8) Variety! Maybe some with streaks in their hair/different clothes? Or maybe varying bust size. Not everyone likes huge boobs :3

Krystal-
1) Her tail, I think it should be down rather than up, it would be impossible to have it that far up anyways :) Also, although you can see her far butt cheek, the taill seems to be placed BEHIND that, which doesn't make sense.
2) Like the Sharp Claw Women, she has several anatomical issues, most obviously her abdomen size.
3) Breasts- Nothing to say, love them. They are perfectly sized to me. Not huge, but still large, and not too small.
4) Ass- no problems with the size, because I know that if her waist wasn't so minuscule it would be very attractive.
5) Head/Hair/Ears- On the head, the positioning is off, again that looks like an awkward position. I love her hair =D. The closer ear is wonderful, but the far one seems like the corner of a rectangle :/
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6) Tail, again XD - In several scenes (namely Table fuck/Drench/and Pile Drive) she wags it when it would have to go off to the side then move upward, which would be kinda like sitting on part of a rope while being fucked. Which has to be uncomfortable. Also, it is wagging /behind/ her, even though you can see that the area where the tail should connect is bare.

Hand Job-
1) I actually really like this one, from the way he seems to force her to how she closes her eyes in resignation when he comes. However her legs seem overspread and awkwardly placed in relation to the soldier.
2) However in that same area there is a female giving head. And when the soldier thrusts forwards at the end he jams it in her mouth, which, I mean is okay even though it goes in too far. But his back leg just jams backward, it is a little weird cause it kinda seems to dislocate D8
3) Also, the female Sharpclaw's tail that goes up, it's base is overly thin and then juts out.

Table Fuck- Not too much to say once more
1) His dick goes too far in just like the chair blow n-n;
2) I kinda wish she'd swallow some of the cum, just preference. >>;
3) And as stated before about the tail :)

Make Out- Very nice :3
1) They go too far down on his dick (sorry I keep saying this by the way :c)
2) If you wear anything, the belt she wears disconnects from her body when she goes down on him

Ass Rape- Again, very nice =D
1) Again, (SORRY! D8>) his dick is too big for her
2) There are several perspective changes in the pic from the 3/4 view of her butt to the profile of her head
3) Her eyes vibrate at the end again, kinda confusing

Suck Dick- Very fun to see!
1) Love this scene! However (tired but true) the dick goes down too far.
2) She never actually swallows the cum. Even though he tells her to.
3) If you do it again, perhaps you could have new text? After all he can't think highly of her if she does so by choice!

-more to come later-
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby trunks2585 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:08 am

to give a short answer to your questions, yes, yes, yes, and i don't know. We are keeping the storyline of basically krystal trying to find fox and get off the planet while doing whatever it takes. We are keeping the major locations and sub locations like the village and the bar in the village, we plan to keep all the current animations plus add in more (yes that includes vaginal sex before anyone asks) We are taking out the cheat button, this game isn't hard, you don't need it. and...well i dunno what the guys are doing about cum layers, i think that might fall under Ren's department in terms of controlling layers.

Thank you for your feedback, I understand all these concerns are of the current game, but i'm sure kal will look over these notes and consider what you said and if anything here needs to be applied to the models in progress, I'm sure yoyooyo will keep in mind what you said when he animates the chair blow scene.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Renara » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:11 pm

Storm Wrote:4) How many mess layers does Krystal have for each section? As in, when does cum stop accumulating on her? I guess I'm kinda weird, but I feel there aren't enough.

This is something I haven't fully worked on yet so I can't give you a definitive answer (and I probably wouldn't if I could :P), but I think I can safely say we're going to put the same attention to detail into cum effects, and we'll try to make them as fun as we can without sacrificing performance. I've quite a lot of ideas on the technical side, but I'm busy trying to get other stuff finished before the sun burns itself out, so I'll leave some of those experiments till I have more time :)


To clarify as well; what you see in v0.2 was really just me fooling around on my own with what PlayShapes had done originally, trying to finish unfinished scenes, tweak things, fix bugs, and hopefully improve it over all, at least a little. The team as a whole is capable of far more exiting things, and with a far greater eye for detail/quality, some might argue too much as that's what's taking so long, but hey, I believe it'll be worth it!
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Storm » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:18 pm

I understand :) as I said, I know you guys are completely revamping them game!

But I also understand that Kalypso is working on editting and prettifying V0.2, so I felt that I should give critiques in the respect to (hopefully) help him with any edits! =D

Also, I plan to critique the other sex scenes (if that is okay?) =D
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby trunks2585 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:34 pm

where the hell did you read that kal was fixing version2? If anyone is tweaking around with that version anymore it's ren and on the side, most our work is going into version3
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:36 pm

trunks2585 Wrote:where the hell did you read that kal was fixing version2? If anyone is tweaking around with that version anymore it's ren and on the side, most our work is going into version3


I believe that he got that idea from...

Kalypso Wrote:
Fox Paradox Wrote:aww, it not that bad. In fact I love the color scheme, the face and the hair.

Can't wait to see the v0.3 version (or anything from v0.3 for that matter)

I may be able to pull off small screenshots but full screen shots are out of the question until further notice.
I was going to announce this in my post earlier, but I'm designating some free time to cleaning up Playshape's LoK v0.2 models and backgrounds to be prettier and cleaner--I may decide to stop at some point, but I'll definitely show you guys what's up while I'm working on it. You can call it whatever version you want but it isn't going to be v0.3, I just want to give you guys something to play with while we're busy with v0.3.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Storm » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:08 pm

Indeed! That is where I got it from :)

Am I wrong?

Also, I am female n-n;
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Renara » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:13 pm

A slightly confusing quote perhaps from Kal, but there are no plans to overhaul v0.2. I still fully intend to finish up v0.2.1, but it's going to be bug fixes and only tiny pieces of new content (mostly just new idle animations) as well as a few tweaks here and there, no truly new content at all.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Storm » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:20 pm

Ah, than should I not add more to my first post? :/
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Renara » Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:41 am

By all means keep telling us what you think is right about the early versions, and what you think would make them better, it's all still relevant in some form or another!
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Storm » Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:14 am

Okay n-n I shall start adding to it later today =3
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Kalypso » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:31 pm

Renara Wrote:A slightly confusing quote perhaps from Kal, but there are no plans to overhaul v0.2. I still fully intend to finish up v0.2.1, but it's going to be bug fixes and only tiny pieces of new content (mostly just new idle animations) as well as a few tweaks here and there, no truly new content at all.

Yeah, no plans were made officially, and I'm not really fixing bugs or anything, I'm just redoing the models with my style to be cleaner, as it only takes about 1-4 of minutes for each piece, depending on it's complexity, and isn't too hard. It can be considered an overhaul, but I guess it's more of a graphics beautification than anything. It's really easy to do, it's not taking me too long at all, so when I'm not doing stuff for v0.3 or need to take a breather from it, I'll work on it. I may only finish a couple of models so the character interactions look better, but as it stands, it's nothing too big or time-consuming on my part, and if it does become that, I will drop it, as it's not meant to be a distraction for me.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Kalypso » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:20 pm

1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) Hell yes. Boo hoo. Don't worry, you won't have to fuck the same guy 8 times to get to the next scene.
4) More than enough. Just for a little support, I'll tell you that we have an entire topic dedicated to this in the dev forums.

I'm going to upset you a bit here. Some of your comments are of significance, yet a large portion of them are sexual preference.

It's sexiest when a girl blows someone down to the skin. Through the study of anime, popular belief suspects that if a dick is too large for a woman to deepthroat she has no gag reflexes, the dick will actually bend and move down the esophagus. Most Anime physics, however, discerns this claim, suggesting that a black hole opens up where the esophagus should be. This explains why all anime characters can go such long periods of time without eating, because they lack the need of anything but holes, voices and the ability to ejaculate. Then again, real porn shows a girl even got balls in her mouth on a decent sized cock (LINK WAS TAKEN DOWN, SORRY GUYS).
Seriously though, it's hotter to see a girl go all the way down in anime.

The reason that women wear clothes before sex is because it's sexy to see them torn, ripped, or yanked off--the outfit also amplifies the sexual persona of the character, and also makes you eager to see those clothes torn off. It also shows some notice about civilization--those parts are sacred, even in third world countries women cover their genitals.

The reason the men don't wear pants is because having them take off their pants kills the mood. That, and just imagine a lizard man wearing pants, and tell me it's not ridiculous. There will be plenty of characters wearing pants, but I don't imagine a Sharpclaw Brute wearing them unless we can propose a good outfit for hiding cock. Plus, don't you want them to be ready for Krystal?

Cocks of relation to furry are to be all shapes and sizes. You'll see knots, dicks with bumps, dicks with curves--hell, you might even see a trog (j/k, you won't). You will see smooth dicks though, if you need relief. A lot of the rule 34 world prefers variation in their cocks. I will warn you though, most of the cocks are on the large side. They're not so big that they won't fit in the vagina or murder her insides, but they are big enough that they won't look... medium.

Give me a rain check on the drool. It really suits the personality of the brutes. While I don't think it's absolutely necessary, I can picture a little drool maybe dripping from his mouth as he fucks the blue vixen. Then again, that sounds really funny--and I don't necessarily like the idea of animated drool from the brutes, so rain check. I could see Krystal drooling through.

When you said smaller dicks, I thought I might be going crazy. But when you said "not everyone likes big boobs" I decided I should probably go get a glass of water, I'm probably just seeing things.
Just kidding. There are variating breast and dick sizes in LoK v0.3, most are on the large size (maybe 7-11 or 12 inches average at most) not including the Sharpclaw Redeye (which should end up being about 2-4 ft?), I wouldn't expect a AA cup or breast-less.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby SteelSaurus » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:40 am

Kalypso Wrote:Then again, real porn shows s girl got 11 inches and the balls in (WARNING, iRL DEEPTHROAT, NO JOKE).
Seriously though, it's hotter to see a girl go all the way down in anime.


EH! This is Rico Strong??? When did he get to be 11 inches long??? News to me! I (sadly) know the top five porn stars when it comes to their size. To my knowledge, he still has not made any of the lists. (He makes the top tens, but normally in 7th or 8th.) But it's pretty well confirmed that Rico does not enter double digits. His selling point is his length/girth combo.

Something somthing something...I'm forgetting. YES! I have a .swf of basically all the breasts and dick from the PShape games (excpet Bowsers Castle). Right now I'm trying to gauge cup sizes for the breasts. (Let's say Zelda's a B Cup, and in turn Krystal and Peach are C Cups).
I'll get right on it! Eventually...
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Kalypso » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:01 am

SteelSaurus Wrote:EH! This is Rico Strong??? When did he get to be 11 inches long??? News to me! I (sadly) know the top five porn stars when it comes to their size. To my knowledge, he still has not made any of the lists. (He makes the top tens, but normally in 7th or 8th.) But it's pretty well confirmed that Rico does not enter double digits. His selling point is his length/girth combo.

Eh, I just made a random guess. I don't care how long some dude's penis is, and I don't even want to ask who actually has measured their penis's length, because that just sounds ridiculous. I just think it's impressive some chick managed to go beyond balls deep on something that wasn't under 4 inches, lol. But that's a little off topic xD.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Octogon » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:30 am

Just chiming in here to say that I love the sharpclaw barbarians drooling over the helpless vixen. I suppose it might be difficult to animate though.

Also a big fan of rippable clothes, for both genders. Maybe some sort of loincloth or breastplate for the sharpclaw males? Even though it's a porn game, I actually think it adds to the mood if everyone isn't walking around naked. It also opens the way for some lovely stripping/groping animations.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Storm » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:47 am

No offense was taken Kalypso =D

And as to that clip all I can say is.
That, is really fucking impressive.
Or sad.
Not sure which.
Cause that had to take a lot of practice n-n;

I understand what you said, and yea I understand that much was about sexual preference. Sorry :/

Also, that rule is new to me. I like it though, very cool. I just wish it wasn't /so/ noticeable, because Krystal's throat /isn't/ big enough for their cocks.
But black hole?
Totally. XD (not being condescending. I just love that idea of a black hole explaining everything)

Also, I /don't want/ the cheat button. That was why I was asking =D

And yea, pants aren't necessary. Just something (like a loin cloth) so they aren't always walking around with their cocks out (What if they lost their erection? D8> How would they walk without chafing? Or... whatever)
And it /is/ sexy to see the guys rip off the woman's clothes! //total agreement


As to your surprise, I laugh as well n-n;
And I'm happy to know that there will be variation!
I of course didn't expect any undersized dicks. Or even average XD
And, Breastless would be treading close to loli. So again, I understand. (I don't like loli, so I'm good)

Anyways, can't wait to see what will come out =D
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby Xananos » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:58 am

If there's no cheat button, there should at least be some way to get quick experience. I know it's been stated before that we won't have to watch the same sex scene over and over, but still. Something along the lines of a strip show minigame for exp? Anything, really.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby kuja » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:15 am

I agree with no cheat button(in the final version ofc). Maybe a Password/Code area, like Kfox n the magical sword. Dunno.
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Re: Critiques/Ideas/Questions

Postby trunks2585 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:23 am

hmm if we do include cheat codes we probably won't give them out right away, gotta make sure everyone plays the game, and half the players don't just look for codes to put in and skip half the content and story.
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