Sakyubasu no Tatakai I (Finished)

Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Zeus Kabob » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:18 am

Bugged out for the first time! When I shot Bridget with the Negaton cannon the first time, she froze while doing nothing. I could walk over to her and hit her (to no avail), I could fire more negaton cannons, and nothing happened.

EDIT: DISREGARD THAT, I FORNICATE WITH MEN.


P.S. One thing this game might want is variable jump height. The jump function seems a bit clunky how it is now.
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby GoRepeat » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:43 am

Guillotine Wrote:no new update yet?:(



Don't worry, I have been plugging away. I am just nearing the end of the project and debating if I should do another release or just wait until it is done.
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Hip0krit » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:20 pm

Gorepete Wrote:Don't worry, I have been plugging away. I am just nearing the end of the project and debating if I should do another release or just wait until it is done.


Well I think a quick small release would be nice considering that is what you have done this entire time when designing the game, as well as I NEED to be able to beat the final boss asap so then I can claim victory over nice challenging game that throws in a lot of FUUUUUUs in there and laugh at the noobs who are still back struggling with the stingers :lol: .
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Something Blue » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:29 pm

I have a proposal
when you take a nap select Bridgette and start her scene there are two Bridgette
i think would be better if Bridgette and Eva excange position
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby GoRepeat » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:55 pm

Hip0krit Wrote:
Gorepete Wrote:Don't worry, I have been plugging away. I am just nearing the end of the project and debating if I should do another release or just wait until it is done.


Well I think a quick small release would be nice considering that is what you have done this entire time when designing the game, as well as I NEED to be able to beat the final boss asap so then I can claim victory over nice challenging game that throws in a lot of FUUUUUUs in there and laugh at the noobs who are still back struggling with the stingers :lol: .



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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Thaedael » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:59 pm

moris Wrote:it's a good game.
to bad it's never going to be finished since it's an LoK game.
would like to see a full version.

oh well.


Normally these comments don't irk me, but when you say it to the one guy that has actually completed shit, works hard, talks to the people, and draws in 1.5+ million unique views to his project, then I get pissed. So look at his track record before spewing shit.
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Marduk » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:00 pm

Wait, what? Nearing completion? We're kind of just at the start yet....?
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby GoRepeat » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:04 pm

Marduk Wrote:Wait, what? Nearing completion? We're kind of just at the start yet....?


Part I ends after you beat Beezy. Really, all I have left to do is her sex scene, the brood mother's sex scene, and a plot segment or two. Then I will polish the turd up a bit, and call it done.
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Thaedael » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:24 pm

I really think, with your animation skill, dedication, and drive combined with kuja's art would take the world by storm =P Too bad he is my slave *evil laughter* I really need to get back to working on my game.
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby mrttao » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:43 pm

Gorepete Wrote:
mrttao Wrote:1. Most boss fights are timer based. You have to dodge for a minute before getting that 3 second window of attack. Losing to an instakill attack 20 minute into the fight and having to restart it from the beginning is horrible.


Yeah, that is fair. I might have to tweak some of the boss' HP levels before a final release. I have been going back and forth on some of the "when you can attack them" windows. Right now though, the alternative is to either nerf the crap out of Eva's damage or buff the hell out of the boss' if I wanted to make them more "free for all" damagable (the mask is a good example of this, you can damage him at any time in any phase but his return damage is fairly brutal). Do you like fights like the mask more or fights like the stinger's more where you have to wait for opportunity?


Why do you HAVE to also buff them in response? A boss taking 5 minutes instead of 50 isn't too bad.

How about just making their invulnerability phases shorter? Or if they mostly played the same. But during the "invulnerability" phase they just had serious damage reduction instead of total invulnerability?
Its already pretty risky to get close to them during their active attack phase. So it would take a lot of skill to not take damage while attacking them before their guard is down.

The mask fight you DO have to wait for the opportunity... sure you can damage it, but it is a trap. You will die if you attack and damage it at the wrong time. The masks biggest problem is that of the flash engine itself. 90% of my losses against it were due to flash acting up. (I do admit I made a mistake that got me killed in those other 10%)

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3. Every time you lose against the mask though you have to fight all the guys in the arena again before it. Its not HARD, in fact its trivial... its just time and wrist breaking. I spent 7 hours trying and failing to beat the mask (yes, really... and the vast majority of this was NOT spent actually fighting the mask). This is not "tough but fair" this is burning time.


I will probably cave on this one eventually. But right now, the 'philosophical' issue against it is that the purpose of the arena is to have mobs to grind on to level up before you fight Bridgette. If people auto fight the mask once the waves have been done, there is nothing to grind on and you are stuck between the Mask and Bridgette with no opportunity to level up. So I would need to come up with something to resolve that before I make a change.


How about after you beat the arena the first time (all except mask) you get a tiny cutscene showing that you sense something from the mask and then make it activateable (stand over mask and press a button) to start the mask battle. And you can redo the other sequence (without the mask) by activating the brazier.

And/or if killed by a bossfight (or just the mask), have a "retry" option which restarts that boss battle without having to wade through minions again.

4. I got mask to 0HP, yet it wouldn't die and ignored seduce... so i kept on hitting it doing about 2x the damage needed to kill it... nothing happened. Only later did I find out the cause is that HP is only checked when they are done doing their attack sequence. And the mask was still pretty early in the "5 masks dropping down to hit you" sequence.


This is one of those game limitations. Interrupting the animations and starting the regen sequence is actually a much bigger pain in the ass than you would think; that is why the current attack sequence has to complete before it will enter regen phase. If I can think of an elegant solution to this (instead of the mask just dissapearing or gap stepping into regen, I will change it. Right now though, I don't have that solution.

Alright then, but this is something that should be covered in the game instructions mini-tutorial you are given at the start.

5. When fighting the angel, supposedly my character decided on WHERE in the island the ambush points are. I am never TOLD where they are. Every step of the way that I beat her I have to guess. On the 3rd one I guessed wrong (I tried to go left instead of right) and hit an invisible wall... could get to the other side in time and got insta killed and had to restart this battle.


Eh? Was the shadow wall not up? There should be the black wall blocking the left side, which should make it pretty clear that you are supposed to go right where there is no wall. If the wall wasn't showing, that is a bug and I can fix it.

I didn't see any shadow-walls. I used trial and error to figure out the path I need to take.

6. Very fast HP Regen on bosses means you have to beat them again and again and again before they actually go down. Mask for example is a minimum of 2 beatdowns (based on how fast it regened HP while I was seducing it after the first beatdown)


Yeah, I actually try to balance the fights so there are at least two seduce sequences for the bosses. I think this is whats them feel more "boss like"; and when you think about it mechanic-wise, there would be no real purpose to channeling lust if everything seduced in the first round. Now I agree that if a boss requires like 4+ seduce rounds, that is way out of wack and should be fixed. But I really do think 2-3 is perfectly fair.

In general I agree, its just that this compounds with the above issues. Defeating the mask once is tough enough, beating it 3 times in a row? Very tough. Especially because most of the times I die against it due to flash issues (abilities not firing off properly; abilities needed to survive the instakills)

Yeah, I try to work these issues out as best as I can, but like you said, flash is flash. Sometimes it is just a really crappy platform for games. I do try to limit what I do for it to be within reason. I actually had a completely different fight for the Broodmother initially, but after testing, I knew the lag for some players would just be too much and redesigned it from scratch. I would love to have more spell effects and diverse fighting, but my hands are tied a lot by the limitations of the program.

Yea, and this is the core of most of the issues I raised. a lot of them are not unfair in of themselves, like the boss needing to be beat 3 times or requiring exceptional skill and timing or a 3 second window of attack per 1 minute of dodging. I have handled such games before.

The issue is that when a single flash mishap insta kills you 40 minutes into a 50 minute boss fight you want to snap the keyboard over your knee. The longer boss fights are the worst it gets.
I got the perfect win in cave story, the secret one with the insane difficulty. I am no stranger to tough skill challenges.

But you have to be able to execute new attempts fast enough. And you have to be using a platform that reliably takes key presses and doesn't lag.

The crux of my argument is, BECAUSE you are programming this game in flash, the difficulty and amount of skill a player should have needs to be dialed down to compensates for flash's shortcomings.
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Lucky777 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:03 pm

I'm more a fan of the boss battles where you can whack the dude anytime you want, compared to the boss battles where you have to wait for an opportunity, especially when the opportunity doesn't make any fucking sense.

Gorepete Wrote:Don't worry, I have been plugging away. I am just nearing the end of the project


Baller.

mrttao Wrote:AFAIK they changed it to be 18 years ago. 16 in some places. It was due to international pressure.


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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Gefute » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:18 pm

I think I say it for all thats a pitty that you gonna end up with this awesome game :cry:
It had a lot of FU moments and some parts needed a lot of patience but all in all it was one of the best porn games I know... good work!! :)
Hope you make a good ending ;)
ps: Do you make something else or is this your last project?
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Eterai » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:47 am

What is this I am reading? I disappear for a few days, ppl are whining about Difficulty? I expected whining about the newest content you released.
And now you are saying that you are about to complete your second game? :O Are you messing with me? Too bad it is all coming to an end. I had fun following the production of this game... :'( *silent tear* But at least it shall be complete and hopefully sold of a disc to be played on PS3! :D
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Eterai » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:16 am

Hip0krit Wrote:Hey guys i found a copy of this on Ifuckgames.com and the rage some people have is funny as hell thought that anybody who wants to relive the pain of noobs throughout releases go there. Also Gore this could provide a reasonable amount of tears for the tiki cheat machine.

The amount of comments for it being so recently uploaded is rediculous! I read the comments on the other games and they do not compare, GoRe's masterpiece is truly one of a kind. XD
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby GoRepeat » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:47 am

Eterai Wrote:
Hip0krit Wrote:Hey guys i found a copy of this on Ifuckgames.com and the rage some people have is funny as hell thought that anybody who wants to relive the pain of noobs throughout releases go there. Also Gore this could provide a reasonable amount of tears for the tiki cheat machine.

The amount of comments for it being so recently uploaded is rediculous! I read the comments on the other games and they do not compare, GoRe's masterpiece is truly one of a kind. XD



The thing that cracks me up is the descriptions on these douche sites:

"Guide exiled princess through depth of hell. Defeat different monster and try not to get raped."

Try not to get raped? Really? lol
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby webought » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:33 am

This means you have to make a new bigger and better game so they don't have it yet! :D
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby cookie jar » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:18 pm

Gorepete Wrote:
Marduk Wrote:Wait, what? Nearing completion? We're kind of just at the start yet....?


Part I ends after you beat Beezy. Really, all I have left to do is her sex scene, the brood mother's sex scene, and a plot segment or two. Then I will polish the turd up a bit, and call it done.



Whait... what? :shock: (Damn you Marduk for stealing my line...)

But, but, but...

*sigh*


Ok, seriously i'm looking forward to the completetion of this game.

However, is there at least a ridiculously tiny chance that you might start to work on additional chapters? :?

Or do you have any other new projects in mind? *grasping at straws here*
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Marduk » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:34 pm

Whait... what? (Damn you Marduk for stealing my line...)

You're wellcome.

However, is there at least a ridiculously tiny chance that you might start to work on additional chapters?


To be honest my impression were that there were more than 2 sisters. (The comment about 'we are on the verge of a full-blown six-sided civil war, but nooone wants to make the first move. Our siblings need a little push.'). Is this because of all the idiots with stupid comments lately, or was this allways the plan?

It's just that it seems like the story just got started. :?
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Lucky777 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:08 pm

Gp's mentioned releasing the games in portions before. I'm not 100% sure of his reasoning, but at least part of it is PROBABLY to stop the file from occupying a million gigs
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Re: Sakyubasu no Tatakai

Postby Mikainox » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:59 am

For some reason, the grinding stops working after a certain point, I am on eight, and I cannot, for the life of me figure out how in the hell I'm supposed to beat the guard at the entrance to the hive, or am I not suppossed to?
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