Political Beliefs

[jayjaycaps]

Although this MAY be a touchy subject, I would like to know what everyone's political beliefs are. I just ask that everyone respect others' opinions and please don't start trolling. Or a flame war. Please.

This all started when I was talking to a couple of my good friends about politics. We were all male (Except one) and everyone in the group frequently masturbates/watches porn. It dawned on me that everyone in the group was extremely Left Wing on their political beliefs, except me.

So I began to wonder, do most people who watch porn/masturbate tend to be left wing? Is it just coincidence, or does your political have something to do with your actions and behavior?

And this is where you guys come in. So please, where do you stand on the political spectrum? Are you a democrat? Conservative? Socialist? Neo-Nazi? Please let me know!

But I guess this wouldn't be fair if I didn't share my own opinion. I happen to be an EXTREME Right wing, almost to the point of Fascism. I think that governments need to butt out of the public, and work almost entirely on an international scale. Everything inside the country should be left up to it's citizens! Every man for himself, everyone working to better themselves, not the community. Everything that is useless to society (the Arts, mostly) should be cut back to make room for important things, like businesses and corporations. Death to Unions, and death to taxes!

Capital punishment? You bet. Lower taxes for the wealthy? Heck yes. Minimal to no welfare? Yes please. Increased military budget? Oh god yes.

I understand that this may offend or upset some people, but this is my belief. Please, share your opinion, but most importantly in a MATURE manner.

[Suraru]

I read the first two paragraphs, then got bored.
In life, there are three things that you see every day, that you shouldn't talk about, to your friends. Money, Religion, and Politics.
Oh well.

I am an Constitutionalist, born Republican, swung to Liberal, then Democrat, and I finished with Constitutionalist. I should also mention I am Pacifist. Being Constitutionalist, I believe in most Republican values. However, I do not like the fact they bring Christianity into many things, and appear to oppose gay marriage.

[talin]

Used to have an opinion but I decided that since I wasn't really going to get into anything the needed a political opinion, I'd just leave it to everyone else. Truth is, I don't know enough about all the various political beliefs to have an accurate opinion.

Was a type of socialist for a while (can't remember the subtype) but it's really hard to get someone in power who will think of the people before thinking of themselves. If that became much easier then I would still be one. The problem is, (about) 40% of humanity are idiots when it comes to how to lead and they tend to try and get either other idiots or manipulative, selfish, power mongers (probably around 25-30%)to lead. The guys who are willing to actually put the country first get burned because they are out numbered by idiots and power hungry manipulators. So then I went more "for the the people" because then at least you get some of the true leaders to have a chance but I found that it just caused a "natural selection" style system that slowly starts getting twisted around to meet the "needs" of the powerful guys on top. There is also the issue of several natural, good-natured leaders not really seeking leadership or great power due to their unselfish nature so that screws up that.

Now that I'm actually thinking about this again, I would say we need a secrete order of some sort to select leaders and urge them to take power by instilling some sense of duty in them to the people they command. now i just need to figure out how one could do this without giving the "order" very much power so it becomes tempting to try and corrupt it.

[mando]

I'm an anarcho-primitivist, so I guess that's as far right as you can go. It kind of all started with Ishmael and Daniel Quinn with me, but then I started building and applying my own logic to the thought process.

My political beliefs basically all stem from the idea that if humanity continues on the course it's going our chances of surviving as a species is incredibly small. This is primarily due to overpopulation which stems from our form of agriculture.

Also in addition I hate the idea of "cost of living." I realize that there is a trade off with working and stuff. If I work then I can afford my TV, but it shouldn't be assumed that I need a job to not be starving/stuck in the cold/miserable.

Admittedly it's technically possible, but it would be very difficult. I haven't been prepared in a way that allows me to live on my own. While this is partially my fault, it's not entirely, because from a young age I was taught to rely on society as we have it. So it's like a non-option, a guy who's taught from a young age to be a carpenter and has been a carpenter for 10 years can technically be a chemist, it's just not very likely that he would be good at it.

[Cliff Racer]

I'm sort of "One of those people who don't like to see people suffering and know logical methods of how to end it"

IE, Homeless people could be given buildings that would add possibly 27ish dollars to monthly taxes for families with a high income, and $18 dollars from less priveleged families. Families that are homeless or otherwise would not be able to afford that tax are exempt, naturally.

I just kind of like... Figure that if we were smarter with the economy but also weren't incredible tightasses about money, we'd be much better as a whole, which is how I'd run the country. Same goes with civil rights and religion. Be smarter about it, not louder.

[bruiserdemon]

this is going to lead to arguments so quickly. i recommend a mod constantly monitor this thread just in case

[zeldafreak1]

My short, sweet and simple view of Politics:

"There's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Man. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Man. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!"

That is all.

[Smackman]

libertarian

[Thee Pie Man]

@Cliff and Talin

I agree, honestly I am basically a combination of both of those and with a little "I wish Communism worked on a large group of people without greedy capitalism interfering or having a ruling leader that exterminates people (hitler and stalin and etc) and saying we have to have so many poor to have so many rich, and the middle class get to struggle to try to be less poor while trying to dream of being rich."

I honestly just want a world where we don't give a fuck about what another person is doing as far as Marriage, sex life, homophobia, racial disgruntle attitudes and etc. I want a world where everyone get's fed and a place to stay, I want a world where everyone's basic need's are met FIRST then we can decide we need luxury's. Basic need's in my opinion include: Decent Food, Water, shelter, medical care (that doesn't run you up the ass), (Not really sure on insurance it's going to be a maybe), internet (Yes I believe EVERYONE should have access to information when they need it, not just those who can afford it. News, disasters all of it should be heard by all, not just some. and of course internet comes with a decent computer. People can earn the same wages, and save it in different ways, things can be worked out..but people just want everything..they want their expensive couches, they want their expensive dining room they want their fifty inch tv plastered to the wall..Its not that these are bad things, it's just the way everyone buys tons of things they really don't need and flaunts their money around seems stupid, If we are going to have a currency system then this is no way to do it. It allows things like Credit cards to even exist and what they do is wrong

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, they loan people money, tack invisible guidelines that really is a form of extortion in my view and should be outlawed. You should not be able to put yourself in debt willingly. Ever, it's just indescribable, that we put our fellow race outside in the cold of winter on christmas because his card over balanced because the bank decided right before christmas to put holds on the person's money so they can tack on fees. For example i go to buy a video game system, and a checker board. Well the video game system I had enough money in my account for, but when the checkerboard went over the scanner I was immediately screwed. The bank decided that my check that came in before the holiday that had a bonus was "suspicious" and decided to freeze the money without my notification. Now I thought there was ex amount of dollars in there but it turns out it's whatever money I had in there is the only money in there. So the checkerboard just gave me a 35 dollar fee (according to my bank) for something I couldn't even begin to stop, now the money they are holding goes into an account that builds INTEREST with everyone else's money they decided to pull right before the holidays. Now I decided to go to the movies with my family, big day new movie out, everything I just put on my bank card that would have been paid for is now adding fee's right and left to my account. So by the time it's done all that money they were holding is actually not even three quarters of what they just gave me in fee's. (Happened to my mom at one point but she returned the stuff before she got screwed, she went online and other people have had this happen to them over the holidays and have lost their homes because of this ridiculous nonesense.)

You could of course say "Well they know what they are getting into when they sign the contract and blah blah blah" Yeah, I get it, but the point is to fit in, to be like everyone else around them to, "have nice things" to "Show that rich taste" so to speak. I find this to be silly because I never wanted to really fit in honestly. It was never something that was needed in my mind. I had my friends that I did and minded my own business otherwise. This is getting off the point. In whole i think my political beliefs is that anything that the government, either side comes up with, doesn't fix the problem and so I feel the need to say all the sides don't do shit and I don't believe in any of them, they just fancy up promises just to keep the main populace happy, who they really benefit is almost always the rich. No I don't want to argue about it, that's just how it is in my mind.

(Sorry I was to lazy to make it into proper paragraphs.)

[jayjaycaps]

IE, Homeless people could be given buildings that would add possibly 27ish dollars to monthly taxes for families with a high income, and $18 dollars from less priveleged families. Families that are homeless or otherwise would not be able to afford that tax are exempt, naturally.

Ack! Taxes! Left wing ideology!

[jayjaycaps]

greedy capitalism

But capitalism works, it's in human nature to be greedy. Why argue with what's natural for us?

[jayjaycaps]

I'm an anarcho-primitivist, so I guess that's as far right as you can go.

Hurray, another extreme right winger!

Sorry about the spam, I wanted to reply to most people, and is very hard to quote more then one person on my iPod.

[Thee Pie Man]

greedy capitalism

But capitalism works, it's in human nature to be greedy. Why argue with what's natural for us?

I thought the point of this topic was to KNOW what other people though, not argue. I wasn't arguing anything because facts are facts. Capitalism is evil period. Capitalism is what we are doing which works off of the greedy nature of humans. It has nothing to do whether it works or not, the way it works is wrong and screws many people out of many things. I don't like how you took it out of my particular context and said what you did. I will not argue on the fact, for I don't really care how other people see it. I saw it how I did and posted it in this topic, end of story.

(sorry if it seems like I am snapping at you, I had a bad day, I don't mean to be rude)

[jayjaycaps]

@threepieman Okay, sorry. Didn't want to argue the point, more just commenting on it. But yes, this thread was just to know peoples ideas on politics, my bad.

And you didn't sound like you were snapping, it's okay.

[Thee Pie Man]

@threepieman Okay, sorry. Didn't want to argue the point, more just commenting on it. But yes, this thread was just to know peoples ideas on politics, my bad.

And you didn't sound like you were snapping, it's okay.

*Thumbs up* It's all good, I was just making sure that part was clear :3

[IrrelevantComment]

Capital punishment? You bet. Lower taxes for the wealthy? Heck yes. Minimal to no welfare? Yes please. Increased military budget? Oh god yes.

I understand that this may offend or upset some people, but this is my belief. Please, share your opinion, but most importantly in a MATURE manner.

Are you a troll, or just a dick of some kind?

Equal taxes for the wealthy is pushing it a bit, but the fact that you think people should be punished for being poor goes way beyond that. I am not remotely offended by what you are saying, but the fact that political ideology seems to be based upon the idea that the poor should be made to suffer so that the rich can thrive makes it VERY difficult for me to be polite to you.

So you think the poor should pay more money that they don't have, get no healthcare from the government, worse schooling, police and fire protection, and for what? So that you can spend more money on killing people? Are you completely devoid of compassion or empathy?

[IrrelevantComment]

Oh, and I would theorize that the far right tend to be religious and therefore more opposed to pornography and masturbation

[mando]

Oh, and I would theorize that the far right tend to be religious and therefore more opposed to pornography and masturbation

Eh, kinda. Basically if you start at center, the more you go to the right the more religious they get, but there's a certain point where it begins to go back down again. These are trends and it's not like you have to be religious to be right/left/whatever the fuck you want.

[Zeus Kabob]

Capital punishment? You bet. Lower taxes for the wealthy? Heck yes. Minimal to no welfare? Yes please. Increased military budget? Oh god yes.

I understand that this may offend or upset some people, but this is my belief. Please, share your opinion, but most importantly in a MATURE manner.

Are you a troll, or just a dick of some kind?

Equal taxes for the wealthy is pushing it a bit, but the fact that you think people should be punished for being poor goes way beyond that. I am not remotely offended by what you are saying, but the fact that political ideology seems to be based upon the idea that the poor should be made to suffer so that the rich can thrive makes it VERY difficult for me to be polite to you.

So you think the poor should pay more money that they don't have, get no healthcare from the government, worse schooling, police and fire protection, and for what? So that you can spend more money on killing people? Are you completely devoid of compassion or empathy?

As Thee Pie Man said, this is a place for our ideologies, not for arguments.

I could come up with likely reasons why jayjaycaps has these beliefs, but I'm not so into the derailing quite yet.

As a perfect segue, I'm going to tell you my political belief; small communities. I feel that large communities of people aren't fun for me. I can't appreciate "the system", so I'd rather abolish it by creating a society of my own, shared among 20-100 people. In this small community, the government would be totalitarian, but since everyone would know the dictator and could talk to him, I don't believe anything too bad could happen. (also, the 99 could rise up against the 1 easily). Basically, it would allow people to interact with the "government" in a human way, rather than a bureaucratic way.

[mando]

Capital punishment? You bet. Lower taxes for the wealthy? Heck yes. Minimal to no welfare? Yes please. Increased military budget? Oh god yes.

I understand that this may offend or upset some people, but this is my belief. Please, share your opinion, but most importantly in a MATURE manner.

Are you a troll, or just a dick of some kind?

Equal taxes for the wealthy is pushing it a bit, but the fact that you think people should be punished for being poor goes way beyond that. I am not remotely offended by what you are saying, but the fact that political ideology seems to be based upon the idea that the poor should be made to suffer so that the rich can thrive makes it VERY difficult for me to be polite to you.

So you think the poor should pay more money that they don't have, get no healthcare from the government, worse schooling, police and fire protection, and for what? So that you can spend more money on killing people? Are you completely devoid of compassion or empathy?

As Thee Pie Man said, this is a place for our ideologies, not for arguments.

I could come up with likely reasons why jayjaycaps has these beliefs, but I'm not so into the derailing quite yet.

As a perfect segue, I'm going to tell you my political belief; small communities. I feel that large communities of people aren't fun for me. I can't appreciate "the system", so I'd rather abolish it by creating a society of my own, shared among 20-100 people. In this small community, the government would be totalitarian, but since everyone would know the dictator and could talk to him, I don't believe anything too bad could happen. (also, the 99 could rise up against the 1 easily). Basically, it would allow people to interact with the "government" in a human way, rather than a bureaucratic way.

I think what you're describing would be within the bounds of anarcho-primitivism.