This might get me flamed to death and banned from the forums or w/e, I dont really care. I just wanted to post about this SOPA act and give you guys a link to the petition you can sign up on. If this thing passes the internet is going to be changed VERY VERY dramatically.
http://americancensorship.org/
If you cant get on any sites today (the 18th) its because they are blacking them out in order to protest SOPA. If this thing passes the government will be allowed to regulate what goes on the internet,be it videos, information, porn, music, games. Its basically taking down everything not copyrighted and forcing websites to change thier policies.
so there, i just wanted to put that out there, sorry if its not meant for these boards, i just figured it wouldnt hurt. we REALLY cant let this bill pass though guys, its gonna be awful if it does
SOPA
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Re: SOPA
by zeldafreak1 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-TV4jaCMk
FU@K U SOPA AND PIPA! I CALL FOUL ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK FREELY! YOU GUYS SUCK FOR EVEN TRYING TO THINK OF THIS LAW! PUT THEM IN JAIL!
FU@K U SOPA AND PIPA! I CALL FOUL ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK FREELY! YOU GUYS SUCK FOR EVEN TRYING TO THINK OF THIS LAW! PUT THEM IN JAIL!
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Re: SOPA
by Suraru » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:45 pm
A thread about this was already made btw
"Shit! The IPb act"
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Re: SOPA
by TheDaughterOfHades14 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:38 pm
Both the SOPA and PIPA Bills have been vetoed.
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Re: SOPA
by BreathofFire » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:35 pm
They were not even vetoed they never made it to the floor as there was too much controversy to them, that's our representative nation at work in a way.
(no i am not a political major but i have a lot of friends in it)
it's great to say the least but this bill was presented before under another name it will happen again as the "Hollywood" industry is for this bill people like lady gaga and -shudders- Justin beiber or whatever the kids name is and so on the thing is the idea isn't bad but how they are going about it the problem will be there even if they enacted it as the pirated sites would just change their IP address that and the "walls" they suggest putting up didn't even stop people from going around them any ways. The sites that actually do follow the rules set forth by this though would be the ones hurt most.
(no i am not a political major but i have a lot of friends in it)
it's great to say the least but this bill was presented before under another name it will happen again as the "Hollywood" industry is for this bill people like lady gaga and -shudders- Justin beiber or whatever the kids name is and so on the thing is the idea isn't bad but how they are going about it the problem will be there even if they enacted it as the pirated sites would just change their IP address that and the "walls" they suggest putting up didn't even stop people from going around them any ways. The sites that actually do follow the rules set forth by this though would be the ones hurt most.
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Re: SOPA
by TheDaughterOfHades14 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:37 pm
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Re: SOPA
by Suraru » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:49 pm
yay,
also clair, wtf lol
also clair, wtf lol
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Re: SOPA
by TheDaughterOfHades14 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:53 pm
It's a link that proves I'm right.
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Re: SOPA
by talin » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:26 am
win for us! thanks for opposing!
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Re: SOPA
by BreathofFire » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:32 am
I agree with you that it's a good thing but i rather a site use the right terminology
congress only can override a veto with 2/3rds vote.
president can do a pocket veto and a normal veto.
studying all forms of bills does it say only the president has the power to veto bills
All legislation passed by both houses of Congress must be presented to the President. This presentation is in the President's capacity as Head of State.
If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it (sign into law). According to Article 1. Section 7 of the Constitution, when the president chooses, If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days, excluding Sundays, to the house of the United States Congress in which it originated, while the Congress is in session. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.
If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.
A bill can also become law without the President's signature if, after it is presented to him, he simply fails to sign it within the ten days noted. If there are fewer than ten days left in the session before Congress adjourns, and if Congress does so adjourn before the ten days have expired in which the President might sign the bill, then the bill fails to become law. This procedure, when used as a formal device, is called a pocket veto.
The Presidents of the Continental Congress (1774–1781) did not have the power of veto. The President could not veto an act of Congress under the Articles of Confederation (1781–1789), but he possessed certain recess and reserve powers that were not necessarily available to the predecessor President of Continental Congress. It was only with the enactment of the United States Constitution (drafted 1787; ratified 1788; fully effective since 4 March 1789) that veto power was conferred upon the person titled "President of the United States".
The presidential veto power was first exercised on April 5, 1792 when President George Washington vetoed a bill outlining a new apportionment formula submitted by then Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson. Apportionment described how Congress divides seats in the House of Representatives among the states based on the US census figures. President Washington thought the bill gave an unfair advantage to the northern states.
The Congress first overrode a presidential veto (passed a bill into law notwithstanding the President's objections)on March 3, 1845
A presidential veto is the rejection of a bill passed by the majority votes of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. While Congress can vote to override a presidential veto, causing the bill to become law without the president's approval, this is rarely done. More often than not, the threat of presidential veto is sufficient motivation for Congress to modify the bill prior to its final passage. This article provides a brief overview of procedures involved in vetoing a bill and the ways Congress can respond to a presidential veto.
The Veto Process
When a bill is passed by both the House and Senate, it is sent to the president for his signature. All bills and joint resolutions, except those proposing amendments to the Constitution, must be signed by the president before they become law. Amendments to the Constitution, which require a two-thirds vote of approval in each chamber, are sent directly to the states for ratification. When presented with legislation passed by both houses of Congress, the president is constitutionally required to act on it in one of four ways: sign it into law within the 10-day period prescribed in the Constitution, issue a regular veto, let the bill become law without his signature or issue a "pocket" veto.
Regular veto
When Congress is in session, the president may, within the 10-day period, exercise a regular veto by sending the unsigned bill back to the chamber of Congress from which it originated along with a veto message stating his reasons for rejecting it. Currently, the president must veto the bill in its entirety. He may not veto individual provisions of the bill while approving others. Rejecting individual provisions of a bill is called a "line-item" veto. In 1996, Congress passed a law granting President Clinton the power to issue line-item vetoes, only to have the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional in 1998.
Bill becomes law without president's signature
When Congress is not adjourned, and the president fails to either sign or veto a bill sent to him by the end of the 10-day period, it becomes law without his signature.
The pocket veto
When Congress is adjourned, the president can reject a bill by simply refusing to sign it. This action is known as a "pocket veto," coming from the analogy of the president simply putting the bill in his pocket and forgetting about it. Unlike a regular veto, Congress has neither the opportunity or constitutional authority to override a pocket veto.
How Congress responds to a veto
When the President returns a bill to the chamber of Congress from which it came, along with his objections in the form of a veto message, that chamber is constitutionally required to "reconsider" the bill. The Constitution is silent, however, on the meaning of "reconsideration." According to the Congressional Research Service, procedure and tradition govern the treatment of vetoed bills. "On receipt of the vetoed bill, the President's veto message is read into the journal of the receiving house. After entering the message into the journal, the House of Representatives or the Senate complies with the constitutional requirement to 'reconsider' by laying the measure on the table (essentially stopping further action on it), referring the bill to committee, postponing consideration to a certain day, or immediately voting on reconsideration (vote on override)."
Overriding a veto
Action by both the House and the Senate is required to override a presidential veto. A two-thirds majority vote of the Members present is required to override a presidential veto. If one house fails to override a veto, the other house does not attempt to override, even if the votes are present to succeed. The House and Senate may attempt to override a veto anytime during the Congress in which the veto is issued. Should both houses of Congress successfully vote to override a presidential veto, the bill becomes law. According the the Congressional Research service, from 1789 through 2004, only 106 of 1,484 regular presidential vetoes were overridden by Congress.
congress only can override a veto with 2/3rds vote.
president can do a pocket veto and a normal veto.
studying all forms of bills does it say only the president has the power to veto bills
All legislation passed by both houses of Congress must be presented to the President. This presentation is in the President's capacity as Head of State.
If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it (sign into law). According to Article 1. Section 7 of the Constitution, when the president chooses, If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days, excluding Sundays, to the house of the United States Congress in which it originated, while the Congress is in session. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.
If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.
A bill can also become law without the President's signature if, after it is presented to him, he simply fails to sign it within the ten days noted. If there are fewer than ten days left in the session before Congress adjourns, and if Congress does so adjourn before the ten days have expired in which the President might sign the bill, then the bill fails to become law. This procedure, when used as a formal device, is called a pocket veto.
The Presidents of the Continental Congress (1774–1781) did not have the power of veto. The President could not veto an act of Congress under the Articles of Confederation (1781–1789), but he possessed certain recess and reserve powers that were not necessarily available to the predecessor President of Continental Congress. It was only with the enactment of the United States Constitution (drafted 1787; ratified 1788; fully effective since 4 March 1789) that veto power was conferred upon the person titled "President of the United States".
The presidential veto power was first exercised on April 5, 1792 when President George Washington vetoed a bill outlining a new apportionment formula submitted by then Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson. Apportionment described how Congress divides seats in the House of Representatives among the states based on the US census figures. President Washington thought the bill gave an unfair advantage to the northern states.
The Congress first overrode a presidential veto (passed a bill into law notwithstanding the President's objections)on March 3, 1845
A presidential veto is the rejection of a bill passed by the majority votes of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. While Congress can vote to override a presidential veto, causing the bill to become law without the president's approval, this is rarely done. More often than not, the threat of presidential veto is sufficient motivation for Congress to modify the bill prior to its final passage. This article provides a brief overview of procedures involved in vetoing a bill and the ways Congress can respond to a presidential veto.
The Veto Process
When a bill is passed by both the House and Senate, it is sent to the president for his signature. All bills and joint resolutions, except those proposing amendments to the Constitution, must be signed by the president before they become law. Amendments to the Constitution, which require a two-thirds vote of approval in each chamber, are sent directly to the states for ratification. When presented with legislation passed by both houses of Congress, the president is constitutionally required to act on it in one of four ways: sign it into law within the 10-day period prescribed in the Constitution, issue a regular veto, let the bill become law without his signature or issue a "pocket" veto.
Regular veto
When Congress is in session, the president may, within the 10-day period, exercise a regular veto by sending the unsigned bill back to the chamber of Congress from which it originated along with a veto message stating his reasons for rejecting it. Currently, the president must veto the bill in its entirety. He may not veto individual provisions of the bill while approving others. Rejecting individual provisions of a bill is called a "line-item" veto. In 1996, Congress passed a law granting President Clinton the power to issue line-item vetoes, only to have the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional in 1998.
Bill becomes law without president's signature
When Congress is not adjourned, and the president fails to either sign or veto a bill sent to him by the end of the 10-day period, it becomes law without his signature.
The pocket veto
When Congress is adjourned, the president can reject a bill by simply refusing to sign it. This action is known as a "pocket veto," coming from the analogy of the president simply putting the bill in his pocket and forgetting about it. Unlike a regular veto, Congress has neither the opportunity or constitutional authority to override a pocket veto.
How Congress responds to a veto
When the President returns a bill to the chamber of Congress from which it came, along with his objections in the form of a veto message, that chamber is constitutionally required to "reconsider" the bill. The Constitution is silent, however, on the meaning of "reconsideration." According to the Congressional Research Service, procedure and tradition govern the treatment of vetoed bills. "On receipt of the vetoed bill, the President's veto message is read into the journal of the receiving house. After entering the message into the journal, the House of Representatives or the Senate complies with the constitutional requirement to 'reconsider' by laying the measure on the table (essentially stopping further action on it), referring the bill to committee, postponing consideration to a certain day, or immediately voting on reconsideration (vote on override)."
Overriding a veto
Action by both the House and the Senate is required to override a presidential veto. A two-thirds majority vote of the Members present is required to override a presidential veto. If one house fails to override a veto, the other house does not attempt to override, even if the votes are present to succeed. The House and Senate may attempt to override a veto anytime during the Congress in which the veto is issued. Should both houses of Congress successfully vote to override a presidential veto, the bill becomes law. According the the Congressional Research service, from 1789 through 2004, only 106 of 1,484 regular presidential vetoes were overridden by Congress.
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Re: SOPA
by talin » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:43 pm
wow, big wall of text but very informative. I belive the SOPA got "shelved indefinatly" though, i pretty sure this just means the matter is dropped until a later date. so this might not be the last of it.
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Re: SOPA
by BlueLight » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:19 pm
talin Wrote:wow, big wall of text but very informative. I belive the SOPA got "shelved indefinatly" though, i pretty sure this just means the matter is dropped until a later date. so this might not be the last of it.
why believe that. all we did was kept a bill from getting passed.
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Re: SOPA
by Suraru » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:51 pm
@Blue, because thats all we did do, watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsC2k3H ... ature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsC2k3H ... ature=plcp
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Re: SOPA
by Renara » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:20 pm
Uh… very informative BreathofFire, but I'm not sure we need to know that much, it's just enough to know that SOPA and PIPA are both essentially done-for due to the high amount of unpopularity. Even with a large degree of money behind it (the TV, movie and music industries mostly) more and more politicians are going to side with the negative opinion to save their own skins, so it's very unlikely they're going to resurface without significant changes.
And good riddance! While the spirit of the acts may sound fair, the implementations are backwards and draconian, and very, very corporate. All they really need to do is forget all this ISP filtering and DNS nonsense and just impose penalties or legal action against American companies that are doing business with copyright infringers. Needs a good legal way to word it, but basically if American companies won't allow advertising on copyright infringing websites, then those websites don't make any money from Americans. This is the kind of legislation that other countries can then reasonably implement themselves, at which point the offending websites rapidly find that their revenue is drying up; basically the aim is to stop companies like online advertisers and PayPal from wanting to process payments for copyright infringing websites; no-money, means no businesses build around trafficking in the stuff. This leaves piracy to torrent sites, which are harder to put down.
And good riddance! While the spirit of the acts may sound fair, the implementations are backwards and draconian, and very, very corporate. All they really need to do is forget all this ISP filtering and DNS nonsense and just impose penalties or legal action against American companies that are doing business with copyright infringers. Needs a good legal way to word it, but basically if American companies won't allow advertising on copyright infringing websites, then those websites don't make any money from Americans. This is the kind of legislation that other countries can then reasonably implement themselves, at which point the offending websites rapidly find that their revenue is drying up; basically the aim is to stop companies like online advertisers and PayPal from wanting to process payments for copyright infringing websites; no-money, means no businesses build around trafficking in the stuff. This leaves piracy to torrent sites, which are harder to put down.
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Re: SOPA
by Suraru » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:49 pm
SOPA is already dead, dude lol.
and the US doesn't need SOPA, they still took down MegaUpload with or without SOPA.
and the US doesn't need SOPA, they still took down MegaUpload with or without SOPA.
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Re: SOPA
by BlueLight » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:11 pm
Suraru Wrote:SOPA is already dead, dude lol.
and the US doesn't need SOPA, they still took down MegaUpload with or without SOPA.
... Not really. It's been shelved for a redesign which it needs.
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Re: SOPA
by Suraru » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:25 pm
That would require it being brought back to life o,O
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