Political Beliefs

[Thee Pie Man]

I think it would be nice to have a small community, elect a leader for a week, if leader get's out of hand like Zeus said the small community have the means to be done with it/impeach the person. Everyone takes care of each other, end of story.

Only problem I can see is a bigger Territory coming in and saying "This is our place now, fuck you we have military strength" Unless we could somehow make EVERYTHING the same as in small communities everywhere, less fighting, less problems, equal needs, etc.

Also Jay, I kinda want to know why you feel like that(if it's not a joke), not to argue or take it apart I am just curious because I can't fathom it XD (no offense)

[Suraru]

I'm not really paying attention to this thread, but I did skid over something that caught my eye. (lolwut)

Something about equal taxes for the rich is pushing it. Being conservative, I believe in lowering taxes for the rich, to help the economy. Most of the rich are rich because they own a business, the more money they have, the more they can invest in their business. The more money invested in their business = more jobs, which = less jobless citizens, which = better economy.

Something I have noticed, the less money you make, the more you have. Being middle class citizen when I was growing up, I saw all these ghetto kids buying new $60 shoes every other week. Me? I was stuck with the same pair of shoes for a year before we could afford new ones. This is because middle class citizens are taxed, and low class are not (taxed as bad).

Plus, they don't even have to work for their money! They just chill, throw one app a month out, make more kids, and get more cash from welfare. Then the rich people are getting too taxed to put money in their business so that makes more low class citizens, higher taxes to pay for them, and soon you have a economic crash.

[BlueLight]

I'm not really paying attention to this thread, but I did skid over something that caught my eye. (lolwut)

Something about equal taxes for the rich is pushing it. Being conservative, I believe in lowering taxes for the rich, to help the economy. Most of the rich are rich because they own a business, the more money they have, the more they can invest in their business. The more money invested in their business = more jobs, which = less jobless citizens, which = better economy.

Something I have noticed, the less money you make, the more you have. Being middle class citizen when I was growing up, I saw all these ghetto kids buying new $60 shoes every other week. Me? I was stuck with the same pair of shoes for a year before we could afford new ones. This is because middle class citizens are taxed, and low class are not (taxed as bad).

Plus, they don't even have to work for their money! They just chill, throw one app a month out, make more kids, and get more cash from welfare. Then the rich people are getting too taxed to put money in their business so that makes more low class citizens, higher taxes to pay for them, and soon you have a economic crash.

So I personally think we should tax them more. My reasoning is, they want it. while your logic is correct, i would like to remind you that the rich are rich because they save there money.

[Suraru]

That was something I was about to say, then forgot in my train of thought.

They aren't exactly rich for saving money, they are rich for making money.
The problem with the Republican Tax Policy, is that it relies on the trust of the rich to invest in their business, not their yacht.

However, taxing them just means more money for welfare until the middle class is gone, and there are less rich people. Basically the great depression where 10% of the population owns 99% of all the wealth.

[jayjaycaps]

Are you a troll, or just a dick of some kind?

A troll? I troll you not, good sir. A dick? Well, I have been called one on several occasions, as you can imagine.

As for the masturbation/religion thing, I am SLIGHTLY lenient on some ring wing social ideals. However, I really only do it because I'm allowed to in the government I live in. It's kinda like "as long as I'm allowed to I'll do it, even if I think i shouldn't be allowed to." if that makes any sense

Any more questions?

[Suraru]

IMP, its either on the floor or in some alley all over some raped girl.

It helps maintain your horny levels. Then again, if you never masturbated and (somehow) resisted the urge when you were young, you wouldn't have those high amounts of lust anyways. Plus, having sex for the first time is much better if you never masturbated prior.

...Oh well!

[BlueLight]

I'm not really paying attention to this thread, but I did skid over something that caught my eye. (lolwut)

Something about equal taxes for the rich is pushing it. Being conservative, I believe in lowering taxes for the rich, to help the economy. Most of the rich are rich because they own a business, the more money they have, the more they can invest in their business. The more money invested in their business = more jobs, which = less jobless citizens, which = better economy.

Something I have noticed, the less money you make, the more you have. Being middle class citizen when I was growing up, I saw all these ghetto kids buying new $60 shoes every other week. Me? I was stuck with the same pair of shoes for a year before we could afford new ones. This is because middle class citizens are taxed, and low class are not (taxed as bad).

Plus, they don't even have to work for their money! They just chill, throw one app a month out, make more kids, and get more cash from welfare. Then the rich people are getting too taxed to put money in their business so that makes more low class citizens, higher taxes to pay for them, and soon you have a economic crash.

Sorry but i have a different definition of rich.
My version allows for a deli owner with the less than a highschool education to be rich. This does not mean a base ball player with more money is rich.
I believe your version which might be the correct version, is anyone that with a lot of money, and/or a profitable business

[Nyshiv]

My own personal political belief is as follows... "Fuck the police!"

Ahem, now onto what I actually mean. What I mean to say is, politics are a farce all in themselves. Every bit as ridiculous as religion, and every bit as self-righteous as religion. In politics, each area is correct, and then every other area is wrong. Very much like religion, where one is right in that belief, and then all the others are wrong in the same belief.

If anything, I'm an individualist; I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of will, and most importantly, I believe in the reservation of individuality. Laws are a farce, as they restrict individual decision and they also restrict freedom of will. And it may sound naive, but the human psyche is based around reverse psychology... naturally if you tell someone not to do something, they're going to feel tempted to do it, for whatever reason they may have, and the list does vary, so I won't go into it. But, if you're told not to murder a man, or you'll be sent to prison, typically, your first thought is, "I'll go murder a man and then just make it look like it never happened." Well, there you go. You just shit all over penitentiaries across the continent. Who cares if you go to jail? You can just murder more people in there, you psychotic, sociopath! Oh wait, that was rude of me... you are an individual, and I understand that, and that is why /I/, as a person, do not discriminate against you for your choices, and would sooner see you murder another man before I would see you locked away for the nature of your decision. I mean, there's either an end, or there isn't, but if you're locked away and rot in a jail cell for the rest of your life, how will you know? How will they know?

This is just my view-point. As I see it, individuals should be left to their devices, and if they see error in their ways, then they will realize that they, as a human, are prone to mistakes and will ultimately 'repent' for deed they have in fact committed. But in this world, all must be forgiven some day, else what will happen?

The fall of civilization. - Politics and everything revolving around them are what drag us down. Individualism is the only way to go; but there you see, I see myself as right and everyone else wrong. I rest my case.

[IrrelevantComment]

Anyone read Under the Dome by Stephen King?

And as for living in small communities that sound absolutely counter productive for me: I want to either be a mathematician or a programmer and either of those in a small community can't really function.

Also I detest your comment that poor people have more money as it is simply not true. I grew up with basically nothing, having to buy everything myself. If I had a $60 pair of trainers (which I didn't) it would either have been for my birthday or because I had bought it myself from money I earned. And this was whilst my mum was working full time AND on welfare. Without that welfare we quite simply would not have able to live, as it was not spent on any luxuries but on food and paying the bills. On a side not, all my friends had more money than me because there parents earned more. Now of course you do get cases where people are frauds, but are you really saying you should shut down the entire system because some abuse it?

Now to take another example. My uncle is a banker working for the Royal Bank of Scotland. He earns around £80k a year, and he is poor. Now this is the sort of person you must be thinking about when you say the rich suffer from being taxed too much, except from the fact that the reason he is poor is because his spending is inproportionate to his income. He has a 40k that he can't afford, lives in a really nice house and his family get anything they want from him. They go on several expensive holidays a year. It isn't tax that makes the rich suffer, on the contrary a healthy dose of tax would be good for them, becuase then money could be given to those who need it.

[BlueLight]

Now to take another example. My uncle is a banker working for the Royal Bank of Scotland. He earns around £80k a year, and he is poor. Now this is the sort of person you must be thinking about when you say the rich suffer from being taxed too much, except from the fact that the reason he is poor is because his spending is inproportionate to his income. He has a 40k that he can't afford, lives in a really nice house and his family get anything they want from him. They go on several expensive holidays a year. It isn't tax that makes the rich suffer, on the contrary a healthy dose of tax would be good for them, becuase then money could be given to those who need it.

Ya, I only consider you rich if you save 20% of your income.

[Thaedael]

Conversely you have inefficient political spending, and stupid systems where the rich actually suffer the most, and others STILL don't benefit from it. Example, I get taxed by the USA despite having only lived in the country for 6 months all my life. Oh well. As a poor person it is easy to say blame the rich, as a rich person it is easy to distance yourself from the poor. I am pragmatic, while idealistic in nature, but there are things that fundamentally bother me.

[Zeus Kabob]

If you buy a yacht, you're giving someone a job. Sure, it may not be giving the money to the people who might need it, but I don't think that any government should be striving towards having a large portion of the population be completely useless (welfare, homeless care, etc). If there's no serious punishment for being useless (if you're useful, in general money will come your way), then I feel that more will be that way. A society with a significant amount of useless people is a bad society.

[BlueLight]

Ya, my mom doesn't have a high outlook on welfare. Then again she has to help theses idiots when they proudly show there coupons in the ER (Also, you'd be shock at the stupid stuff the ER takes care of. )

[Thaedael]

Did you know the USA issues the most MRI's per capita in the world? I live in what the Americans considered "Evil socialist Canada", and the stuff that happens down in the American health care system make me cringe. The world's best medicine, most capable doctors, best treatment facilities, but no one to be able to freely use it without going in debt? They scoff at socialist healthcare, which has its faults, but would never work in the USA. Ah well.

[BlueLight]

I personally think we need a mix. but i admit i won't be able to defend my belief at this time.

[Zeus Kabob]

I have absolutely no grasp on the complexities of making any big system like that work out, so I am very skeptical of all of it. XD

For me to buy any of it, I'd have to get a very in-depth argument. Luckily, I don't care much at all about the whole deal.

[GoRepeat]

As a perfect segue, I'm going to tell you my political belief; small communities. I feel that large communities of people aren't fun for me. I can't appreciate "the system", so I'd rather abolish it by creating a society of my own, shared among 20-100 people. In this small community, the government would be totalitarian, but since everyone would know the dictator and could talk to him, I don't believe anything too bad could happen. (also, the 99 could rise up against the 1 easily). Basically, it would allow people to interact with the "government" in a human way, rather than a bureaucratic way.

Until my much larger community decided to kill you and take your resources. Or just deny you access to electricity, sewage, and other amenities until your own people defected to our side.

I am a realist. It is fun spouting humanistic philosophy and hippy communist crap, but the simple truth of the matter is with a population of over 6.8 billion, these things will never logistically work.

So until the zombie apocalypse comes along to reduce humanity to more philosophical political compatible numbers, I remain Republican because I like guns, meat, low taxes and small(er) government. Of course, that isn't to say that the CURRENT Republican part has been upholding these fundamental ideals (they have not), but it is better than the current alternatives.

[Thaedael]

This is something we talk about everyday in Urban Planning. While I agree with zeus in that I cannot claim to be any expert in the field, I can say I have had at least a degree of formal education on the topic. I am a realist like Gorepete, but our views and stances are completely diametric.

[GoRepeat]

This is something we talk about everyday in Urban Planning. While I agree with zeus in that I cannot claim to be any expert in the field, I can say I have had at least a degree of formal education on the topic. I am a realist like Gorepete, but our views and stances are completely diametric.

I respect your beliefs!

But then again, I also know you are still in college and once you get a hard earned job and work your ass off only to realize that 35% of your paycheck disappears to tax and social security, you probably won't actually hold on to those beliefs and come over to this side.

I miss college some times....

[Thaedael]

I am a full time student, while having the full time job of property management, as well as other forms of income. I also pay my own way through school, with an income below the median salary for the country in which I live. I respect your opinion as well, and when my income is double taxed both from the country it is made in, to the country I live in, it also hurts. I can relate on many levels. I was referring to the guns, meat, mostly to the comment on smaller governments.