Beastality

[talin]

probably how most people deal with bestiality otherwise people would have actively searched for those doing it long ago and done something about it. People know it's on the net and being done around the world but there are various other more visible things that everyone is preoccupied with. Unless someone who's into it makes a scene, it probably won't get to much publicity.

[scarykitties]

Although my experiences may be skewed by the types of communities I hang around, in my experience, beastiality is more common than most would think. Perhaps that's part of why it isn't taken after so much as other things.

Also, why is the "correct" spelling for it "bestiality"? Beast is best, I guess?

[Cliff Racer]

I kinda see it like this;

Bestiality should be kept in fiction. In fiction, a dog is basically the same thing as a dragon or a tentacle monster; It's a monster, and not really much else. It's a fancy cock, who cares.

IRL, it's not that cool. And illegal! I'll admit that the thought of being fucked by a dog was neat at one point, it's the same deal as what I said above. Fantasy, and that's it.

[scarykitties]

Our laws do not shape our morality; our morality shapes our laws.

If we go into something saying, "it's wrong because an authority figure told me not to engage in this act!" then we aren't really exercising our judgement.

Murder isn't wrong because it's illegal; it's wrong because it's ethically and morally reprehensible. Beastiality is considered to be wrong because there have traditionally been laws against it. It could be debated that it is morally wrong because it is forcing oneself upon an animal, but if I think that if you're going to poo-poo it, you need to base it on a reasoned foundation like that, rather than saying it's wrong because "it's uncool" (aka, the majority do not like it) or "it's illegal" (aka, authority figures do not like it).

[Suraru]

I see your logic, and replace it with aliens!

But no really, I half agree with you on that. Being myself, I don't hate or judge, there's a reason for everything.

[BlueLight]

I see your logic, and replace it with aliens!

But no really, I half agree with you on that. Being myself, I don't hate or judge, there's a reason for everything.

I deductively say bullshit of the bullshit of the bullshit or "~~~X".

Laws are not created by any one factor. If there is anything that writes laws, it would the lawyers in the court rooms, messing with the juries heads about what's legal and whats not.
Laws are created by what we think we want or need. That doesn't mean what we want or need is what we get.

[Suraru]

Wrong Answer

Sorry, I just had to post that because of how funny it is XD
(someone just said that to me in another forum, I lold)

[Thaedael]

Laws are based on common laws, which were ways to settled disputes, because the average human signs the social contract of following a common set of beliefs and laws so that we don`t go around murdering etc. It is essentially the common set of compromises to make life most fair. Bestiality is spelled bestiality, because it has to do with the bestial, IE animals. Also the laws against zoophilia, aka bestiality, are there as a set of rules to prevent the spread of zoo-kines. Either way people can like what they want. Just keep it legal on the forums, and I won`t care.

[Thee Pie Man]

*Speaks to no one in particular.*

Something isn't right or wrong because we think it's not or are mortality dictates it as such. There's just some things we DON'T do as so called "Higher beings" the laws are "rules" put forth to show a common acceptance of a set of things that are not allowed period. When new things come up that don't fall under those laws we make new ones in the common knowledge that this is right or wrong. We feel it's right to have freedom of speech, but we aren't allowed to murder other humans as "higher beings" because even though we are mammals and to the point Animals. We deemed ourselves in a higher consciousness then all other species because of the fact that we try not to do what other animals do.

An example is a Male lion from outside the pride mating with a female inside the pride. The ruling Male lion will be truly ticked off and these scuffles can lead to death and in relation to murder of another lion. We call it natural for other Animals to do this because we want to somehow separate ourselves from based instincts that sometimes we can not control because nature is nature period. Yet when a human male kills a guy that was having sex with his wife, we consider it a heinous crime even though it was essentially a rival male that he killed, fists or gun it would still be considered a murder.

In a way I don't believe that a man or woman should go to jail trying to defend the bond of her/his mate/partner in life. I do believe however that we don't kill people if we are going to put ourselves higher then animals at anytime.

This all leads up to. Why is it or why is it not wrong to fuck them or have animals fuck humans. It's just not a common acceptance and if all other laws are based on the same. (Not all i know because governments can be crooked don't get me wrong but to emphasis my point.) I just want to say, right or wrong in our minds doesn't make it truly morally wrong or right in the whole. Which again leaves the rub how can we say this is wrong or right?

What do you get from it being right?
A bunch of people getting fucked/fucking animals. And a bunch of video porn markets for people who like to watch but and or not partake.

What do you get from it being wrong?
You have the satisfaction that you indeed made the right choice that it's not right to use animals instincts to determine if they want it or not.
Your morally sane in the sense of being able to differentiate that "Yes, having an animal fuck my brains out that isn't of my own species is wrong in the sense of nature." You know that just because a dog senses a girl is in heat and tries to hump her to the ground that it's instincts. Not love from the animal/friend to the person themselves. Def:"Sexual relations between a person and an animal, including intercourse, masturbation, cunnilingus, frottage (rubbing), anal penetration, or having ones genitals licked by an animal. No where does it say love so you can assume it's not a "Normal" relationship in any sense of the word."
You just don't cross certain lines. interspecies sex is one of them.

Beastiality, is just taking advantage of the intellectual impaired (Not to offend people who find animals smart, I surly do,) animals. Not to say that I haven't heard things that are similar to lassie and etc which shows they have a higher intelligence then most give them credit for as far as animals go. But those are in certain areas. Instincts can also guide human's actions to react to situations in ways people wouldn't believe. In any case I find that it's wrong to do anything with animals that involves any sexual relations because it's just not something people should do >_> period. If I hear another argument about it I will assume that person has no moral standards and is really just trolling. I said my final word on this

Adieu!

[BlueLight]

If I hear another argument about it I will assume that person has no moral standards and is really just trolling. I said my final word on this

Adieu!

I find a problem with this! That's like me saying "Black women lack morals if they fuck a white man and I will assume anyone who disagrees also lacks morals." also quick question, what if everything you said was wrong?

[scarykitties]

Granted, Pie, there is a debate as to whether having sex with an animal is harmful to or abusive of that animal or not.

But a large part of your argument there goes from an objectionist assumption of, "my view is the correct view and those who disagree are wrong because they do not know what is right." I think that logic doesn't really fit against most debatable issues.

And, at the risk of making a perhaps unfair connection, the same could be (and is) said of homosexual intercourse. That is, "sure, you could do it and have gay sex, or you could NOT do it and have the satisfaction deep down of knowing you made the RIGHT choice."

[BlueLight]

But a large part of your argument there goes from an objectionist assumption of, "my view is the correct view and those who disagree are wrong because they do not know what is right." I think that logic doesn't really fit against most debatable issues.

I disagree unless we're talking about deductive logic. Deductive is basically worthless but fun!

[talin]

I think the reasons why people argue bestiality is "wrong is:
A) You cannot successfully breed and/or reproduce by committing such acts.

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(Personally, I don't think this is a problem because if both people want it and understand the implications then they can fuck each others brains out and it wouldn't be "wrong" as far as I'm concerned.)

B) Many animals may be clever or even smart but they are not and most likely will not become "sentient" thus, sex with them would taking advantage of them.

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(Personally, I agree with this. They are going off the assumption that they are reproducing and probably would not want to have sex with something if they understood it was impossible for them to have healthy children, or even any children, with another species. )

C) Sex with an animal could either hurt you or the animal due to physical incompatibilities.

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(Once again, if you both understand what could happen then I have no problem with it but it is nearly impossible to get an animal to understand exactly what is going on and what could happen so I will probably have a problem with it.)

In a nut shell, if it's a regular horse, don't fuck it.
however if fluttersky comes up to you and totally wants you to fuck her with no intention of reproducing then go ahead.

[Thee Pie Man]

And, at the risk of making a perhaps unfair connection, the same could be (and is) said of homosexual intercourse. That is, "sure, you could do it and have gay sex, or you could NOT do it and have the satisfaction deep down of knowing you made the RIGHT choice."

Lol It's viewed like that by homophobes and religious nuts that have decided that there is only one true course to love between HUMANS. It's humans still same species I say this is completely unrelated to the reality of two different species such as Human and dog's or Human's and horses fucking vs Human's and humans fucking regardless of gender. This point is just trying to continue an argument I have killed effectively for there is no more points on the subject or towards beastaility that have not already been made by other members or expressed that have not been discouraged or have not been proven otherwise.

I have nothing against people having opinions about Homosexual people if they keep them to themselves and do not say them around me for some of my closest friends are homosexuals boys and girls. To compare them to animal sex as you said a "risk" to a obviously unfair connection is wrong to me. Regardless of how you perceive this issue. Don't drag other people's sexual tendencies into this that are already given enough shit, just to be grouped in with Beastality nuts that go out fucking horses. Not cool at all. No matter the point I feel it's a low blow.

On this note if I so choose I could feel the same about straight people in another situation that wouldn't give any thing to the argument but just to try to make a lame refute of a claim.
No one should have sex anymore because the world is over populated and we can't even take care of the children that are on the earth already much less the world itself. Wouldn't that not be WRONG to have sex? You could just NOT do it to feel morally great about yourself. Have fun being fired for being cranky from your lack of sex.
No see this point is taken out of context. It takes two entirely different justifications put's them together to somewhat connect two different things entirely. As I said before it's not the sexual act that's the problem it's that it's with an ANIMAL of a different species that can not make the same choices as we do!

In a ball of junk that I didn't really want to type because it's annoying,
~If it's not in your species you don't tap it.~
'Nuff said.

I think the reasons why people argue bestiality is "wrong is:
A) You cannot successfully breed and/or reproduce by committing such acts.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(Personally, I don't think this is a problem because if both people want it and understand the implications then they can fuck each others brains out and it wouldn't be "wrong" as far as I'm concerned.)

B) Many animals may be clever or even smart but they are not and most likely will not become "sentient" thus, sex with them would taking advantage of them.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(Personally, I agree with this. They are going off the assumption that they are reproducing and probably would not want to have sex with something if they understood it was impossible for them to have healthy children, or even any children, with another species. )

C) Sex with an animal could either hurt you or the animal due to physical incompatibilities.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(Once again, if you both understand what could happen then I have no problem with it but it is nearly impossible to get an animal to understand exactly what is going on and what could happen so I will probably have a problem with it.)

In a nut shell, if it's a regular horse, don't fuck it.
however if fluttersky comes up to you and totally wants you to fuck her with no intention of reproducing then go ahead.

^ This is epic.

and to A I totally agree I wasn't saying it was a BAD thing that we couldn't make/produce hybrids and such xD Just to clarify on my own point.

[Suraru]

I think the reasons why people argue bestiality is "wrong is:
A) You cannot successfully breed and/or reproduce by committing such acts.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(Personally, I don't think this is a problem because if both people want it and understand the implications then they can fuck each others brains out and it wouldn't be "wrong" as far as I'm concerned.)

B) Many animals may be clever or even smart but they are not and most likely will not become "sentient" thus, sex with them would taking advantage of them.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(Personally, I agree with this. They are going off the assumption that they are reproducing and probably would not want to have sex with something if they understood it was impossible for them to have healthy children, or even any children, with another species. )

C) Sex with an animal could either hurt you or the animal due to physical incompatibilities.

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(Once again, if you both understand what could happen then I have no problem with it but it is nearly impossible to get an animal to understand exactly what is going on and what could happen so I will probably have a problem with it.)

In a nut shell, if it's a regular horse, don't fuck it.
however if fluttersky comes up to you and totally wants you to fuck her with no intention of reproducing then go ahead.

Ya, this is pretty much my new view on it XD
Notice, I said "pretty much" not "exactly"

[Maryann93]

Im pretty new on Lok but I wanna state some things about what you've said.
1- I was into bestality when I was younger. I had a dog which was really lovely with me and one day, he started to eat me up and... I had sex with him. Im not proud of it in any way and I wasnt attracted by him in any ways. I can also say, after this, he couldnt stop rubbing his **** on my leg so yes it changes the mentality of the animal.
2- I was lesbian when I was younger and I can clearly say it was due to my environement. My sister was bi, I had my first time with her and a lot of events followed. Anyway, now im totaly bi and im happy with it.
3- I dont live in USA but I know the governement there is really corrupted... I live in Cananda and things aren't that bad! Im a 100% sure the governement is corrupted as in any country BUT they do act for the better.

This is only my personal experience, im not arguing with any of you.

[Renara]

Please keep it on topic folks, I hate splitting posts

Though, I think most things have been said already, so please don't just go in circles, especially when talin's post is a great summary of the issues already.

[talin]

I've been complimented by the admin...
YAY!

but tbh I don't think there is anything else that could be discussed...

We figured out opinions and most people are saying they like animated bestiality but not RL bestiality due it being immoral as in it takes advantage of animals and mentally screws them up. We've discussed what about bestiality turns people on and even explored if certian animals have a "human fetish" to an extent. Is there anything we're missing or you guys feel hasn't been explored well enough?

[Zeus Kabob]

Nah, that pretty much covers it. I declare the topic over.

[IrrelevantComment]

How many people saying it is wrong are vegetarians? If you can happily raise an animal in a shit environment and kill it just so you can eat it, you cannot claim that an action that pleasures both individuals is "taking advantage".