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Kingdom of Deception

Postby Sierra Lee » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:37 pm

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Kingdom of Deception is a dark fantasy RPG with an emphasis on inter-species politics and player choice. Mac/Linux versions available.

Check our Patreon for the download links! We'll be posting monthly updates and the whole game will stay free.

After centuries of struggle between races, humans have established the fearsome Kingdom of Lundar. Fueled by ambition and hunger for glory, the human forces are on the verge of completely annihilating all territories controlled by creatures that have not become vassals. The last hope of fighting off the human armies, a vast monster horde, has been defeated, leaving Lundar as the master of all.

Their outside enemies defeated, the noble families and military factions of Lundar have quickly turned on each other in an internal struggle for power. In this vicious conflict, not even religious or family bonds will be spared.

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Sabia is the daughter of a noble house and a rising commander in the royal army. Determined and ambitious, she thinks she's on her way to the top... but things are not as they appear. She's made as many enemies as allies, both in her own family and in the army. Now that the war is over, there are some who believe that she might be better off removed.

Betrayed by her own sister and stranded in the deepest, darkest territories that hold the remnants of the orcs, Sabia seems to be taken out of the struggle for power. But though these orcs may have bottomless lusts and favor brute violence, they're more than that. Sabia might be their slave now - but she is not going to stay that way.

As she claws back power for herself and plans her revenge, she starts to realize that there's more to the monsters than she thought. Perhaps she didn't understand the monster horde, the truth about the war, or the nature of her own family. She'll have to make hard choices about what to sacrifice on her path to revenge... but one way or another, there will be a reckoning.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Darthjake » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:09 pm

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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby lostone2 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:57 pm

I'm installing right now. If I may a suggestion, could you please include the number of the version in the name of the folder. That way the clueless player won't overwrite previous versions (in the future of course).
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Bathers107 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:15 am

I have to say well done on this one. The long wait since the initial announcement of this project has been worth every second.

I've so far crammed 8 hours into exploring this (no doubt others have found everything I did in less time) and still haven't explored every option available.

I'm quite picky with the content I'll spend time on but I'm genuinely addicted to the stuff you make.
The art is, in my opinion, flawless. The game's aren't 100% sex driven, and when sexual scenes do arise they come across in what seems like a natural flow (assuming orcs and the like are natural) that doesn't pull away from the plot of the story.

I could go on and on about what I like about it, but I'll summarize.
Keep doing what you're doing, and please don't ever stop.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby vladislav23 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:05 pm

love the game so far. will there be a walkthrough by /u/s3382306 ? he did a great job on NN so i was wondering if he is doing KoD too
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Sierra Lee » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:27 pm

lostone2 Wrote:I'm installing right now. If I may a suggestion, could you please include the number of the version in the name of the folder. That way the clueless player won't overwrite previous versions (in the future of course).

My patterns are a little thrown off because Ren'py builds the distributions differently, but I intend to keep this in mind for future versions.

Bathers107 Wrote:I have to say well done on this one. The long wait since the initial announcement of this project has been worth every second.

I've so far crammed 8 hours into exploring this (no doubt others have found everything I did in less time) and still haven't explored every option available.

I'm quite picky with the content I'll spend time on but I'm genuinely addicted to the stuff you make.
The art is, in my opinion, flawless. The game's aren't 100% sex driven, and when sexual scenes do arise they come across in what seems like a natural flow (assuming orcs and the like are natural) that doesn't pull away from the plot of the story.

I could go on and on about what I like about it, but I'll summarize.
Keep doing what you're doing, and please don't ever stop.

Glad you liked it so much!

vladislav23 Wrote:love the game so far. will there be a walkthrough by /u/s3382306 ? he did a great job on NN so i was wondering if he is doing KoD too

Yeah, he posted this link on the Patreon:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Wg ... HtVJQw/pub
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby archer_gilgamesh » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:54 am

Artwork looks really good. Quick question though. Will this game contain combat akin to Noxian Nights, or will this be more along the lines of a VN? I played a little bit, and it seems to be leaning towards the VN side, but I wanted to find out if there is actual combat once it gets a little more fleshed out
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby BlackDread » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:00 am

Just starting my third playthrough of this version, I had no idea there was this much content. I'm already in love with this game, cant wait for more.

One small thing though, I feel like Neve could have been introduced a little better, she just sort of appeared out of nowhere. Even if it was just a couple of lines of conversation outside the tent before she comes in.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Sierra Lee » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:14 pm

archer_gilgamesh Wrote:Artwork looks really good. Quick question though. Will this game contain combat akin to Noxian Nights, or will this be more along the lines of a VN? I played a little bit, and it seems to be leaning towards the VN side, but I wanted to find out if there is actual combat once it gets a little more fleshed out

There's a basic combat system you can try out in this first version, and we do intend to expand it as we continue development. But as a whole, the game will be less focused on combat. It won't be a pure VN, there will be more focus on player control, but do expect fewer individual battles, more war.

BlackDread Wrote:Just starting my third playthrough of this version, I had no idea there was this much content. I'm already in love with this game, cant wait for more.

One small thing though, I feel like Neve could have been introduced a little better, she just sort of appeared out of nowhere. Even if it was just a couple of lines of conversation outside the tent before she comes in.

Glad you liked it! We'll take that into consideration for Neve's introduction.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Azurite » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:07 am

Amazing second project after Noxian Nights. I like the fact it's a different kind of game, more VN oriented and more focused on manipulation/strategy than Noxian Nights. Of course I like both type of games but having something new/different is always fun.

Awesome first release, we can see what you try to achieve with this first slice of heaven and please... please ! MOAR NEVE ! GOD DAMN NEVE :o
Let us have different kind of sexual interactions with her throughout the game ! Like... nothing happens, cute romance, Dom/Sub relationship, maybe something even more extreme but she's so yummy, yes I love elves damn it :D

Thanks again guys, another top notch hentai project for the world to enjoy !
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby K1ngCharm1ng » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:53 am

I really loved this. You did great with the artwork and as stated earlier the VN orientation is nice. I totally need pointers from you!
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Sierra Lee » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:27 pm

Azurite Wrote:Amazing second project after Noxian Nights. I like the fact it's a different kind of game, more VN oriented and more focused on manipulation/strategy than Noxian Nights. Of course I like both type of games but having something new/different is always fun.

Awesome first release, we can see what you try to achieve with this first slice of heaven and please... please ! MOAR NEVE ! GOD DAMN NEVE :o
Let us have different kind of sexual interactions with her throughout the game ! Like... nothing happens, cute romance, Dom/Sub relationship, maybe something even more extreme but she's so yummy, yes I love elves damn it :D

Thanks again guys, another top notch hentai project for the world to enjoy !

Yeah, we wanted to change up the type of game a little. We won't abandon the core appeal of our games, but we want to try to stretch ourselves somewhere new with each project, keep things fresh. And if you like Neve, you're in for a good time. =D

K1ngCharm1ng Wrote:I really loved this. You did great with the artwork and as stated earlier the VN orientation is nice. I totally need pointers from you!

Thanks, glad you liked it!
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Carnal Druid » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:24 pm

Disclaimer: I'm not a native english speaker and i'm in general a person that writes in a way that may be confusing, because i'm jumping all over the place, so keep that in mind, but please read all that i have to say. So. Let's begin:


I have now played through the whole game so far in about 2-3 hours yesterday. I've taken my time to "explore" the orc camp, the story and the characters and read though all the text i came across (i didn't do 100% but i think that wasn't neccessairy) and now i have quite a few things to say about Kingdom of Deception. Now, I know this game is in an early stage of developement (atleast i hope so), but there are still some problems that are very deeply part of the game it seems.

But first things first, the positives:
1) The Art was, like with all your Projects, amazing on a technical level. Yes, I would've liked it, if especially the non-orc characters and more especially the female characters weren't buff as bodybuilders, but I guess thats a personal preference, but what really bugged me more than i would have expected myself was the huge tits on the elven character Neve, since elves are in general and in most fantasy universes regarded as more on the slender side of body types. Smaller tits would have been more realistic.
2) And what little information I got on the overarching plot, while cliché fantasy, left me wanting for more.

Unfortunatly there are some problems with the game.
1) The Gameplay: I don't remember exactly but i think all of your or SierraLees solo projects until now were done on an RPG maker and this is the first time you worked with RenPY (correct me if I'm wrong)? This definitly shows. But I'm confident that this will get better when time goes on, since all your projects were done really professional.
Your gameplay seems to be inspired by games like Akaburs Witch Trainer or Princess Trainer, where a character, in your case the main character has to do chores in a forced enviroment that they hate at first, but when time goes on they get more and more corruped and the tasks get more and more sexual, well in your case that transition doesn't happen neither on a gameplay level nor on a character level. One moment Sabia despises orcs and would never ever touch them in a way that is not punching their face and one moment later she can work as a whore. this ties into my next point:
2) The characters and story: I know it's difficult, if I wouldn't struggle with this, I'd probably already have published a game, but writing a mature (in a not sexual way) fantasy plot in a game that is also about people fucking each other in situations and frequencies that are not realistic and only happen in porn, is hard. And most of the times when i played your game, i felt i was playing two games, the revenge plot on the one hand and the corruption plot on the other hand. There where hardly any connections between these two. And while the revenge plot was like I said in the pro's was fine and left me wanting for more, the corruption plot was really not good or better: non existent. Why would I want to work at the relieve tents? It's so counterintuitive.
So, now a little bit more detailed on the characters that i remember:
*) Sabia: Sabia as a main character would be compelling if a) her strengh that people talk about would actually help her and not just be mentioned and b) her hatred for orcs after being raped by them would affect her actions. I would like her get corrupted but still being the strong female leader and not a helpless damsel in distress that gets fucked by everyone.
*) Neve: I get that she is supposed to be a mysterious character, but other than that she likes to get fucked by two orcs at a time i literally now nothing about her and her motivations. why is she helping me? a little bit of character would definitly help her.
*) The Captains: They are literally just cartboard-cutouts of political agendas and helping one of them doesn't affect anything at all (I helped the neutral one, but i guess when i help either the liberal or the conservative one the other one wouldn't attack me or atleast be mad (again, correct me if I'm wrong)
*) The Barkeeper: I liked him, he was cool and surprisingly well fleshed out.
*) The Warchief: Ok-ish, I don't know much about him, but he seems to have his reasons for what he's doing, so no critique here
3) At last to the worst part and really I hated that one: The Intro.
I love RPGs, but there is a trend in recent RPGS -especially AAA-Titles- that you have to have a lot of *choices* and *freedom*. And a lot of studios make games full of choices and freedom and desicions and you play your game thinking that this is a really individual walkthrought, that only you have and in the end, you discover that either choice would have let to that outcome and all was for none.
Your Intro is the worst incarnation of this. The game is pretending to give me a choice to not get raped by the orcs and i tired every choice and i got raped in all of them, now, I'm not a big fan of rape in generall, not even in clearly fictional games, but i accept it if it seems like I earned it (like in games like CoC or TiTs, where you get raped when you lose a fight) or that it is an integral part of the story, but when the game is pretending to give me a way out, of course i'll try to take it and when there is none, i feel backstabbed. And that is not a great first impression for your game.
The other things are just things that i observed and you can do with them whatever you want, but for this one i beg you, please change that, by either having a choice that saves you from getting raped or having no choices at all and just play out the rape scene from the start and not bullshit around with a thousand choices.

*sigh*

Ok. That felt good to get out of my system.
Hope I could help.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Darthjake » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:12 pm

Carnal Druid Wrote:Disclaimer: ...


Snip :D

Carnal Druid Wrote:But first things first, the positives:
1) The Art was, like with all your Projects, amazing on a technical level. Yes, I would've liked it, if especially the non-orc characters and more especially the female characters weren't buff as bodybuilders, but I guess thats a personal preference, but what really bugged me more than i would have expected myself was the huge tits on the elven character Neve, since elves are in general and in most fantasy universes regarded as more on the slender side of body types. Smaller tits would have been more realistic.
2) And what little information I got on the overarching plot, while cliché fantasy, left me wanting for more.

Unfortunatly there are some problems with the game.


I don't get into the buff fetish myself, but this is a rough world and Neve, and Sabia are both combat veterans so it would make sense imo that they would have toned bodies. Yeah, I'm in agreement that Neve's tits should probably be closer to what Lynn has then not, but there are different body types out there, so who is to say that one elf might have larger then normal tits? -- But I get where you are coming from.


Carnal Druid Wrote: 1) The Gameplay: I don't remember exactly but i think all of your or SierraLees solo projects until now were done on an RPG maker and this is the first time you worked with RenPY (correct me if I'm wrong)? This definitly shows. But I'm confident that this will get better when time goes on, since all your projects were done really professional.


I'm fairly certain that this is Sierra'a first published venture into ren'py, I'm not 100% for sure, but I think I recall seeing that somewhere. I'm sure Sierra will comment here when she had time.

Carnal Druid Wrote:Your gameplay seems to be inspired by games like Akaburs Witch Trainer or Princess Trainer, where a character, in your case the main character has to do chores in a forced enviroment that they hate at first, but when time goes on they get more and more corruped and the tasks get more and more sexual, well in your case that transition doesn't happen neither on a gameplay level nor on a character level. One moment Sabia despises orcs and would never ever touch them in a way that is not punching their face and one moment later she can work as a whore. this ties into my next point:


Imo, that's generally how corruption angles work when you are not using mind control or some other out there arc, you wear down the willpower and make the (person/MC/insert description here) think the way you want them to and eventually they will start thinking and behaving the way you want them to. (Again, in my opionion)


Carnal Druid Wrote: 2) The characters and story: I know it's difficult, if I wouldn't struggle with this, I'd probably already have published a game, but writing a mature (in a not sexual way) fantasy plot in a game that is also about people fucking each other in situations and frequencies that are not realistic and only happen in porn, is hard. And most of the times when i played your game, i felt i was playing two games, the revenge plot on the one hand and the corruption plot on the other hand. There where hardly any connections between these two. And while the revenge plot was like I said in the pro's was fine and left me wanting for more, the corruption plot was really not good or better: non existent. Why would I want to work at the relieve tents? It's so counterintuitive.


There are 2 plots running, both as you mentioned. Remember when she was negotiating with the captain that wants to make the orcs more like humans? Sabia lies to him in that she will work with the orcs (she would rather kill them), and her sister who she claims would want to wipe the orcs out (who would rather ignore them). This, I feel is going to be a major part of the plot development, seeing where Sabia will take a stance of what she is going to have to sacrifice to get her revenge on her sister, and keep the orcs from being a threat to the humans.

Carnal Druid Wrote:So, now a little bit more detailed on the characters that i remember:
*) Sabia: Sabia as a main character would be compelling if a) her strengh that people talk about would actually help her and not just be mentioned and b) her hatred for orcs after being raped by them would affect her actions. I would like her get corrupted but still being the strong female leader and not a helpless damsel in distress that gets fucked by everyone.


You get some of that in the training ground, grudging respect from the orcs for her determination, but you've got to realize that she is a female in a male dominated society/environment. I feel Sierra effectively addressed that in the intro, if she does not use the orcs, she might as well give up on any hope of revenge which is her driving goal. Did you by chance get the sex scene with Sabia and the orc in charge of the training grounds? Sorry, I can't recall his name at the moment, (Starts with an L?) That is an excellent show of her maintaining strength while letting her lusts run free.

Carnal Druid Wrote: *) Neve: I get that she is supposed to be a mysterious character, but other than that she likes to get fucked by two orcs at a time i literally now nothing about her and her motivations. why is she helping me? a little bit of character would definitly help her.


Character in development, we'll learn more about Neve as the story progresses, You don't go to the end of the book to see what happens before you read the middle, do you? Same here, we know nothing about anyone other then ourselves, and the MC even has some doubts there too. As an aside to the previous point about Sabia the only reason she goes whore (comfort girl if that's your thing) is to earn money faster. You can, (I think) do this whole prelude with no sex except the mandatory rape scene at the beginning, it'll just take longer, and your status with the orcs won't be quite so solid, but there might very well be benefits (and consequences) in the future that will be written in that will reflect this.

Carnal Druid Wrote: *) The Captains: They are literally just cartboard-cutouts of political agendas and helping one of them doesn't affect anything at all (I helped the neutral one, but i guess when i help either the liberal or the conservative one the other one wouldn't attack me or atleast be mad (again, correct me if I'm wrong)


Again, choices for later on in the story, I went with the "civil" orc, but I might eventually try the other two, we'll see.

Carnal Druid Wrote: *) The Barkeeper: I liked him, he was cool and surprisingly well fleshed out.


Did you work for him enough times to talk to him? You might find him more interesting. Did you ask Neve about him? Remember that "drink" option? I have a feeling that will become usuable later in the game. :evil:

Carnal Druid Wrote: *) The Warchief: Ok-ish, I don't know much about him, but he seems to have his reasons for what he's doing, so no critique here


Think of him as a plot device, and a goal of the Captains, that's my thought process, he is going to be setting the stage as to how the orc community is going to interact with Sabia until one of the Captains pulls him down and takes his place, again this will be a middle of the story kind of event.

Carnal Druid Wrote:3) At last to the worst part and really I hated that one: The Intro.
I love RPGs, but there is a trend in recent RPGS -especially AAA-Titles- that you have to have a lot of *choices* and *freedom*. And a lot of studios make games full of choices and freedom and desicions and you play your game thinking that this is a really individual walkthrought, that only you have and in the end, you discover that either choice would have let to that outcome and all was for none.
Your Intro is the worst incarnation of this. The game is pretending to give me a choice to not get raped by the orcs and i tired every choice and i got raped in all of them, now, I'm not a big fan of rape in generall, not even in clearly fictional games, but i accept it if it seems like I earned it (like in games like CoC or TiTs, where you get raped when you lose a fight) or that it is an integral part of the story, but when the game is pretending to give me a way out, of course i'll try to take it and when there is none, i feel backstabbed. And that is not a great first impression for your game.
The other things are just things that i observed and you can do with them whatever you want, but for this one i beg you, please change that, by either having a choice that saves you from getting raped or having no choices at all and just play out the rape scene from the start and not bullshit around with a thousand choices.


It's a work in progress, that being said I can't answer for how the story is going to be told, that being said I understand frustration if this is something you truly dislike. Think of the intro as a vehicle to get you where you are going, and try to understand this is the intro, and there will be other things happening later on. I think there is a long rape and a short rape scene, who is to say that maybe at some time you'll be knocked unconscious (and maybe or maybe not raped), but let's talk reality here, we are playing an adult game with adult concepts, and what would lusty orcs do with a sexy female captive?

Anyway it's all opinions for now, keep an eye on the project, see where it goes, and just have fun, if something starts to not be fun, don't do it. I support Sierra on TLS, but can't support KoD at the moment, not that I wouldn't love to, but being that fact that her games for for the most part free to play (there are exceptions, to this yes), but for the most part they are. Don't worry about constructive feedback/critiques most authors welcome those at it helps them get a better feel for how the public is reacting to what they are putting out there.

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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Sierra Lee » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:26 pm

Carnal Druid Wrote:Disclaimer: I'm not a native english speaker and i'm in general a person that writes in a way that may be confusing, because i'm jumping all over the place, so keep that in mind, but please read all that i have to say.

Hello, thanks for your extensive feedback! We welcome all opinions, and of course your experience of the gameplay is valid. However, in a few cases you ask questions about things or state things that aren't quite the case, so I'll clarify on those. Not that I'm trying to change your opinion, but for the record. Many of the issues you raise will be addressed again in later updates, since this is the first of many versions, so I think it would be best to let the game speak for itself in those cases.

Carnal Druid Wrote: *) The Captains: They are literally just cartboard-cutouts of political agendas and helping one of them doesn't affect anything at all (I helped the neutral one, but i guess when i help either the liberal or the conservative one the other one wouldn't attack me or atleast be mad (again, correct me if I'm wrong)

Though your choice of Captain will have increasing impact as the game goes on, in this first version they change the following things:
1) Each gives you a unique benefit (bonus/item/outfit).
2) Each unlocks a unique quest.
3) Most unlock unique sex scenes.
4) Each has a variety of effects on the trial.

Carnal Druid Wrote:Your Intro is the worst incarnation of this. The game is pretending to give me a choice to not get raped by the orcs and i tired every choice and i got raped in all of them, now, I'm not a big fan of rape in generall, not even in clearly fictional games, but i accept it if it seems like I earned it (like in games like CoC or TiTs, where you get raped when you lose a fight) or that it is an integral part of the story, but when the game is pretending to give me a way out, of course i'll try to take it and when there is none, i feel backstabbed. And that is not a great first impression for your game.

I'm not sure if you're counting the version where Sabia bets her body and agrees to the sex scene as rape, but it's also possible to avoid that version as well. It's possible to completely avoid sex in this version and we intend to leave it that way.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby FMC » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:07 am

Y'know, I was watching Last Sovereign for a bit since while I usually only want to play games with female PC's, your game intrigued me.

Now I find out you have a game with a female PC. You make me happy. :P
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Destrocto » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:12 am

Will you be implementing female voice sounds for the moans?
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Sierra Lee » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:00 am

FMC Wrote:Y'know, I was watching Last Sovereign for a bit since while I usually only want to play games with female PC's, your game intrigued me.

Now I find out you have a game with a female PC. You make me happy. :P

Noxian Nights also has female PCs - it's a completed game, so you may want to take a look at it!

Destrocto Wrote:Will you be implementing female voice sounds for the moans?

It's something we've looked into, even talked to a few voice actresses, but it's nowhere near a certainty.
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Firefall » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:51 am

Poked around in this for a few hours last night and I gotta say I loved it. I'm sure there's a few things I haven't found, but I had a great time with it. I'm curious, is this a setting where orcs can breed with other races or does the genocide of orc females mean these are the last generation of the orcs? Cuz that'd be a bit dark. I really liked Jadk, hoping to see more of him in the next update. Anyone know if there's a different scene for beating lutvrog with his full kit instead of the handicap? I never tried it, don't even know if it's possible lol, took me a couple tries to beat the weakened version of him cuz of rolling the rng for damage. That bit at the end where the mage catches the guy's cum in a magic bubble really reminds me of a similar image from something, but I can't remember what :/. That's gonna bug me lol
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Re: Kingdom of Deception [Public Release June 1]

Postby Darthjake » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:33 am

Firefall Wrote:Poked around in this for a few hours last night and I gotta say I loved it. I'm sure there's a few things I haven't found, but I had a great time with it. I'm curious, is this a setting where orcs can breed with other races or does the genocide of orc females mean these are the last generation of the orcs? Cuz that'd be a bit dark. I really liked Jadk, hoping to see more of him in the next update. Anyone know if there's a different scene for beating lutvrog with his full kit instead of the handicap? I never tried it, don't even know if it's possible lol, took me a couple tries to beat the weakened version of him cuz of rolling the rng for damage. That bit at the end where the mage catches the guy's cum in a magic bubble really reminds me of a similar image from something, but I can't remember what :/. That's gonna bug me lol


I tried twice before deciding that it's a mechanic on the fully buffed Lutrog, (I think that's his name), and I could not beat him, not only that but when you lose, no H scene, so.....
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