Newlife: female-perspective lifesim text game

[kvier]

I kinda dislike that "go out and get drunk" is supposed to be the best way to relieve stress.

Although it's hidden in the conversation we've had here, the actual "massively reduces stress" trigger is currently "woman orgasms during PIV sex"... so it's not quite as narrow as the initial description makes it seem. (And, arguably, it's an entirely different kind of narrow)

[Nickfifa]

Hi, I have been playing your game since you posted it on this site and I want to share some thoughts.
Fist of all, its a great game, it's obvious that you have spent many hours on it. It's by far the most intreresting game I've seen at this site for a long time.
Positives: I love to play games with a female protagonist and your approach is excellent. I like the many clothes options and the interaction that they have in the game. I like the
character customisation (but I'm an RPG fan, so...it can get some improvements, some extra choises etc). Nightclub options are great. It's a good start of a game that can be very good at the future.
Negatives/improvements suggestions: No anal sex? really? I hope you are making plans for it though...maybe in a future update. Also, you need to have a threesome option (with men or women) and probably an orgy/gangbang event .
I read your answers and I know that you don't like rape/ forced scenes.However you can have some events, where the character is trapped or forced to have sex without violence. For example, someone blackmails her for sex (her boss, or someone who saw her fucking in public and took pictures of her, or something like that), or someone puts a drug in her drink, that makes her horny and can't resist sex. I know that you have plans for lesbian options, so I'm going to wait for that update. Having sex at the gym would be a nice idea. You can also add the option for the character to submit to someone or not. That's it for the sex suggestions.
Now, for the gameplay, you know that you need to come up with a complete storyline, with a proper ending. The character needs to have a purpose for working so hard. I know that you are planning on adding new job opportunities. I recommend
jobs like stripper, school teacher, yoga teacher at the gym, barwoman...you know, sexy jobs with many sex opportunities (events). Also, the character can pay some sort of rent for the house, so that she has a motive for working harder, or
getting a promotion. Finally, you need more events that end up into having sex (one night stands with strangers or friends).
Character creation: you can add the option for a woman to like dominating or be dominated, you know, who has the upper hand on sex. Except that. I think that the character stats don't have a meaning right now. You have to come up with a plan,
so that they actually mean something. For example, you need to study fashion to be able to get promoted, or you need naughtyness/attraction over a number, to enter a VIP area of the nightclub or a strip club. Clothes are ok, don't waste more time on them.
That's all I can think of right now... I know that you can't do all of them, but I think that some of them might be a good ide for your game. I really love your game so far and I am looking forward to see the updates. I might even consider to become a patron if I like the way it goes. Thanks for reading...keep working...:p

[krustyelpoyaso]

One sugestion,add diferent tipes of dick maybe and more pervert action.
But is the best text based game never i played.
Thanks and sorry for my bad englsih is not is not my first language.

[splendidostrich]

Hello everyone. The next release should be quite soon – I expect to finish the changes today sometime and then we'll see if testing throws up any problems.

I love this game. It's beautifully executed, and conceptually engaging. I recently signed on to support you (I use my real name over on Patron), and I intend to keep doing so, because I'm eager to see the game refine and improve and grow more.

Thank you

Some of the text in some places still reads oddly if you were always a girl for the outset, but most of the big ones have been ironed out. If I come across any that really jump out at me in future plays, I'll being putting together a fine-tooth report, if you'd like (other things too, like positioning description weirdness; most notably things that don't make sense the way they're describe, if you're on top at the time - Being on top with a pick-up that you're unsure about is safer, generally, since other than trying to pull them aside, they can't normally remove your undies from that pose if you don't want to let them).

Thanks, do let me know about text issues and so on. The female start has been particularly problematic there – when I added it I was under the impression that most of the gender-bending text was linked to femininity skill checks, but it soon turned out that there were an awful lot of throwaway references that weren't.

I'm bi, and I'm looking forward to one day being able to hook up with ladies as well, but all things in their time...

Yes, this is in the core plan, but it'll be an absolutely massive change, so it definitely needs its own major update. Probably two, in fact.

it'd be really cool if a properly and healthily communicated poly relationship was also an option, but if it ever were, I'd imagine that's something that would be along way off indeed.

That's something I haven't really thought about much. However, even if something like that did get added, I can't imagine group sex scenes being possible. The complexity involved in taking any two arbitrary npcs, such as the player could be in a relationship with, and writing a sex scene with both of them plus the pc would be far too much to be realistically added to the game.

I kinda dislike that "go out and get drunk" is supposed to be the best way to relieve stress. I personally find that a bit on the nose, really; I'm very glad that -doing- that is an option, of course... but it shouldn't be a necessary part of keeping stress down. Other activities for that time slot would be appreciated. Your dates can take you to movies, or smut movies, or cocktail lounges, gallery shows, LAN parties (I've totally gone in for a quickie at a LAN party before, and gone right back to playing afterwards) etc... Why not go out to the sorts of places that your character personally -enjoys-, and try to meet people at those venues?

There's more free-time activities planned, when that sort of thing wins a supporter vote. The dance content is an example of the sort of thing that I'm likely to add for that.
Broad “meeting people” scenes are likely to be added quite slowly though. Out of the scenes currently in the game, the nightclub scene is probably the trickiest one to work with. Part of that's probably because it's an early one that hasn't had much rework, but handling things like transitions between npcs can get quite fiddly.

Now, you've said very clearly and firmly that you have no intention of including anything that is non-con or rape; you don't want the game to go that direction, and that's completely fine! Sexual deception, force, reluctance, blackmail and non-con are personally some of my biggest turn ons, BUT, I'm also the kind of player who understands that those particular topics really kind of do need to stay in games specifically geared for them, so that others can avoid them if they want to. That's cool.

I think there needs to be a bit of a distinction between things that are legally/ethically rape and things that are rape in the context of “rape pornography”. For example, the bastard client demanding sexual favours with the implication that your career will suffer if you don't do them is essentially demanding sex with threats, even if it doesn't fit what most people would imagine as a rape scene.
However, while it's certainly written for people who enjoy the fantasy of being submissive with a sexually aggressive partner, the scene is one that probably wouldn't satisfy a serious rape-porn fan.

Broadly speaking:
- Sexual deception: if you mean “lying to someone to get them into bed”, then this is fine in the game. In fact, there's more content planned along these lines. In particular, men with the “Impregnator” trait will use very underhanded means to get the player pregnant, including sabotaging contraception. Similarly, I'm planning a change where asshole men will act nicer when they want something from the player, only to show their true colours when they've got you into bed.
- Force: Definitely not. When people ask for rape, this is generally what I assume they're talking about.
- Reluctance: This is already in, to the extent that it's going to be. At least, you can get in bed with someone your character doesn't like or find attractive and let them shag you.
- Blackmail: Maybe. I've had the occasional idea for blackmail-themed event chains, but I don't think any of them have been developed far enough to actually be added at the moment.

One thing you haven't mentioned, but which gets requested a lot is spiked drinks or the pc getting raped after passing out from alcohol. That's another definite no.
I general, I don't like any content where anyone is genuinely hurt or traumatised, and I don't like humiliation content, so that puts some clear limits.

This is where what I say gets a touch less positive: By extension that's got to mean that you currently believe that there's no rape or non-consent in your game as it stands at the moment. Much as I personally enjoy that kind of content in a fictional setting, we're going to have to severely disagree there. There's a heck of a lot of situations that are very much rape in the game as is; not a worry for me, but I'd be rather concerned if you don't think they are.

-Niara

The definition of rape is fairly clear: having sex with someone who's unable to consent, or where they don't consent. That's the ethical definition anyway, the legal one is all legalese so it's somewhat more confusing.

To clarify the situation in Newlife:
- If your option to refuse consent isn't available because you failed the willpower check, then it's assumed your character is clearly consenting from her body language, verbalisations etc.
- Otherwise, there's exactly one option in the sex and makeout scenes that clearly refuses consent. Npcs will always respect this choice.
- Various other actions can look a bit non-consensual in the context of the overall scene. For example, if he tries to go inside you, you move his cock away, then he uses his next action to start having sex with you anyway: rape. If he tries to go inside you, you move it away, the two of you make out loads more until your character is ready, he tries again and you start having sex: not rape. Because this generally relates to timing issues and interactions between multiple actions, I feel that rewriting it would be excessively time-consuming and fiddly. If our recent rape-porn ban had covered text content then I'd probably have been required to take the axe to large swathes of the makeout scenes in particular. As is, I don't intend to re-write them other than as part of normal development.

However, while scenes that in real-life would be rape can arise in the game, there is no content that I've specifically written to be rape, and there's nothing that would be likely to satisfy a serious rape-pornography fan.

There is a lot of behaviour in Newlife that, rape or not, is obviously bad – often legally as well as morally. Rape isn't the only sex crime, after all. Newlife isn't intended as a guide for real-life. The way to treat people is with respect and consideration.

I kinda dislike that "go out and get drunk" is supposed to be the best way to relieve stress.

Although it's hidden in the conversation we've had here, the actual "massively reduces stress" trigger is currently "woman orgasms during PIV sex"... so it's not quite as narrow as the initial description makes it seem. (And, arguably, it's an entirely different kind of narrow)

The current maximum reduction for a single scene chain is something like:
5 for at least one orgasm. Orgasms also contribute to your enjoyment.
Up to 8 from alcohol, although maxing out your booze level gives you a lower benefit because of the inevitable hangover. This is the in-game incentive for the player's innocent good-girl character to put herself in a position where she might get carried away in the moment and end up pregnant.
Up to 10 from enjoyment. Lots of things contribute to this, but the big increases are from sex and especially orgasms & sex that suits your fetishes.

Hi, I have been playing your game since you posted it on this site and I want to share some thoughts.
Fist of all, its a great game, it's obvious that you have spent many hours on it. It's by far the most intreresting game I've seen at this site for a long time.

Positives: I love to play games with a female protagonist and your approach is excellent. I like the many clothes options and the interaction that they have in the game. I like the
character customisation (but I'm an RPG fan, so...it can get some improvements, some extra choises etc). Nightclub options are great. It's a good start of a game that can be very good at the future.

Thank you! I put quite a bit of dev time in to the clothes and the club scene, so it's great to hear people enjoy them as well as the sex scenes

Negatives/improvements suggestions: No anal sex? really? I hope you are making plans for it though...maybe in a future update. Also, you need to have a threesome option (with men or women) and probably an orgy/gangbang event .

Anal sex isn't really something I'm into, so it's not in the core plan for the game. I did allow it for the bonus scene vote on patreon, but it didn't win the last one. Perhaps next vote it'll do better. We shall see.
Group content is generally complex to write unless the characters are very constrained – for example in the nightclub lesbian dance scene. I don't know if a general three-way scene would even be realistic, and it'd take so much more time than a normal two-person one that I think it's a bit hard to justify putting in.

I read your answers and I know that you don't like rape/ forced scenes.However you can have some events, where the character is trapped or forced to have sex without violence. For example, someone blackmails her for sex (her boss, or someone who saw her fucking in public and took pictures of her, or something like that), or someone puts a drug in her drink, that makes her horny and can't resist sex.

It's possible I might put blackmail in at some point, but I definitely won't add drink spiking.

I recommend
jobs like stripper, school teacher, yoga teacher at the gym, barwoman...you know, sexy jobs with many sex opportunities (events).

I don't plan to add sex-work to the game – I think that's already very common in adult games and I want playing Newlife to feel more like being an ordinary girl than a sex worker such as a stripper, pornstar or prostitute.

The next few jobs are likely to be office work and waitressing. School teacher probably won't go in because the students couldn't appear in the game and that'd make it a bit odd to write. Working behind a bar or in the gym are definitely sound ideas.
I don't know how many careers there'll be. I want each one to have a fair bit of unique content, but that means they'll be slow to add and I can't have lots of then. At least three, I think, but probably not more than five or so.

Also, the character can pay some sort of rent for the house, so that she has a motive for working harder

Yup. This is a planned change. There's going to be a major update themed around the player's home/

Character creation: you can add the option for a woman to like dominating or be dominated, you know, who has the upper hand on sex.

Well, sexual traits have a large effect on the game, which means that they take a lot of work to add and also add to the game's complexity which slows down future content. So, for the time being, I probably won't add sub/dom traits.

Except that. I think that the character stats don't have a meaning right now. You have to come up with a plan,
so that they actually mean something. For example, you need to study fashion to be able to get promoted, or you need naughtyness/attraction over a number, to enter a VIP area of the nightclub or a strip club.

Every trait and skill has in-game effects, except for ones like skin colour which the character creation screen specifies as being just cosmetic. Some will get more content added to them in the future, of course. For example, I have plans for 'Nice' to unlock a whole set of activities based around charity work.
Each job has two key skills, or one skill that has a double effect. For sales both slots are taken with charm. Other jobs will use different skills.

One sugestion,add diferent tipes of dick maybe and more pervert action.
But is the best text based game never i played.
Thanks and sorry for my bad englsih is not is not my first language.

Glad you're enjoying it I think I have a task on my todo list to add less well-endowed men. The next sex scene will be doggy-style, probably in June sometime.

[UnLimiTeD]

I'll never be able to look at Lan parties the same.
On a serious note, That's pretty decent writing.
Always nice to find.

[splendidostrich]

Hello everyone!

The 0.3.4 version of Newlife has been released and it can be downloaded from patreon by early-access patrons. Version 0.3.3 has been made public and can be downloaded from the blog. Patrons who aren't at the early-access level can get the patron version of 0.3.3 from patreon - I've changed the access level on that post to "all patrons" so you can get the cheat options.

The blog post with the changelog is here.

Have fun with the new version

I'll never be able to look at Lan parties the same.
On a serious note, That's pretty decent writing.
Always nice to find.

Thank you


Edit: It's nice that this site and TFGS use the same forum software so I can copy & paste the release announcements. HF is slightly different so I have to write posts for it and tfgs separately even though I'm just saying the same thing.

[Niara]

Thanks for the detailed reply, I appreciate it!

When I test the new version, I'll keep a check-list of any places where the dialogue really jars me, in terms of original female characters, and I'll see about compiling something to send you if I find more than one or two... like I said, -most- of them seem to have been ironed out by now ^.^


Thanks for clarifying exactly where you stand on the consent issue; I wanted to be clear that, while a lot of stuff you don't want to include is content that I would enjoy personally, I'm -not- going to ask for it, because you've already said firmly what you will and won't do in that regard. I totally respect that, and it's cool. My worry from before was that I thought you were effectively saying that 'nothing in this game is in any way a rape', and that's really very far from true, but your answers clarifying have made a lot more sense.

As a fan of non-consent erotica in all its flavours, I have found a great deal to enjoy in the game so far, even on that front; a lot of it comes from what a player does with the scene in their head, and how they imagine it, and their character's reactions and responses, based from the text there; there are several scenes that I've come away from feeling well and truly violated, on behalf of my character, but someone reading the scene a different way, and imagining their character's reactions differently, might not find that: that's good!

The things you describe as future possibilities under the sexual deception category: dear light yes, those are the kinds of things that lift my pulse; promising to be safe, and then utterly unrepentantly not doing so? Awesome. Sabotaging their contraception or sneaking it off? Great, hehe. (Though I've been on the end of someone trying to 'sneak' a condom off more than once, and honestly, unless you're drunk as a skunk or high as a kite, it would have to be a pretty insensitive woman who wouldn't know immediately that he'd taken it off... but this isn't RL, *shrugs*). It would be nice if the woman, as the player, could -lie- about her status; claim to not be safe, even if she is, or is on the pill, or reassuring that she is safe, when she knows she isn't.

That said, the standing of "These things are ok, because, you know, they're wrong and all, but they're not really rape." That's some pretty shaky ground. The definition you gave is pretty gross, just for example. It's murky, messy, unclear water, to be sure, but by that definition I'll give an rather extreme example to illustrate its failing:

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A woman could kidnap some guy she finds tasty-looking, but who wants nothing whatever to do with her, restrain him and then torture him violently while asking for sex; if he says yes, the torture stops, and she, like many women, knows all about that fun place you can press that makes a guy hard whether he's aroused or not. If he asks her to stop having sex with him at any point, she will, of course, absolutely, stop... and resume torturing him. Understandably, the man will eventually say yes long enough to be forcefully brought off and for the woman to get her own jollies. And by the given definition there, there was no rape involved; he consented. Only, patently, he didn't.

I would say that it's probably the case for a great majority of women (though I don't include myself in this), that having a guy finish inside them when they aren't safe and told him not to - especially if it's not an intimate lover - is going to be genuinely traumatic for them. Especially in a world where termination apparently isn't an option. I wasn't going to ask about that, because I've found that in otherwise realistic games where it's not given as an option, that's usually because the designer has strong feelings on the matter, and frankly it's a hornet nest that isn't worth kicking, so I won't.

I have a question regarding the will-power check:

Some times, I've had situations where my character isn't aroused at all, and the progressions has gone, essentially: tell guy you don't want to go too far, guy tells you to relax, and strips off your undies; tell guy you're not safe, guy doesn't respond to that at all, but kisses you, your character finds it gross; push guy away, guy mounts you; try to push guy off you, fail, guy takes your virginity, it hurts; At this point, the only options actually showing up are to do nothing, or to try moving... 'Stop' isn't there, though clearly, no part of this is any fun at all for your character... she's in pain, mostly. Those then remain the only two options until the guy blows his load.

My mental interpretation of this was basically that the poor girl was too stunned/horrified/disbelieving by the unwanted violation, to do much more than lie there until it was over, but I do want to ask: What's actually going on here? This is tested with a character using 'strong will', and done quite a few times, so I'd realistically expect such a clearly unwanted situation to present a 'Stop' option...

The current maximum reduction for a single scene chain is something like:
5 for at least one orgasm. Orgasms also contribute to your enjoyment.
Up to 8 from alcohol, although maxing out your booze level gives you a lower benefit because of the inevitable hangover. This is the in-game incentive for the player's innocent good-girl character to put herself in a position where she might get carried away in the moment and end up pregnant.
Up to 10 from enjoyment. Lots of things contribute to this, but the big increases are from sex and especially orgasms & sex that suits your fetishes.

So non-penetrative orgasms count as well? I've been trying a play hanging onto my v-card for the full time, but lowering stress seems harder than ever, with her.

On the question of anal sex: as much as I fully respect that it's not something that you're into personally (I'm not a big fan of it either; I don't mind it for a partner that really wants it, but it's decidedly not my preference), it is, unfortunately, another 'safety' trick for a girl trying to have some fun but still look out for her own well-being... and when playing a girl who knows she can't trust her own will-power, there have been times where I've vaguely longed for the option to offer anal instead, purely as a means of protecting her... I've noticed at times of will-failure the blow job options disappear completely as well.

Writing wise, it wouldn't actually need a huge amount of extra customisation, since a very large number of the sex texts we have don't specifically reference what hole he's pounding away at, or they don't need to; on a personal note it also opens more options for arseholes and jerks to be respectively arseholish and jerkish; impregnator jerks 'slipping' to the front at the last moment, etc., that kind of thing. Before, when people have requested writing work of me that covers sexual content they don't like, but need to have for their story, I've always found it easy enough to write a smooth scene without focusing too heavily on the specifics that make it overt; that way it's there and clear for those who like it, but equally it's easy to gloss over for those who don't care for it. I think as a mechanic for the game, though, the option would be a useful one, so I'm going to cross my fingers for a 'prove me wrong' on that score (I'm sure you'll make the threshold soon ^.^)


Sorry for the long chattering... I tend to get very talkative over projects and games that I really like and have grown passionate about, and I should stress again, that I love yours!

-Erica

[Bagashi]

Those talks are such a thrill; especially those regarding breeding-stock hunters.

[UnLimiTeD]

Ok, I have to revise my earlier statement:
It's actually damn excellent writing.
I don't know why exactly, as it's pretty far from my usual fare (maybe because of that), but I definitely sunk some time into it by now. Kudos!
As for an oddity:
The "Begin touching yourself" option disappears with a mode change, like, say, pulling a guys trousers down, until you do something.

[Necronlord2]

Is it possilbe to have shower sex while pregnant?

[splendidostrich]

Hello everyone. I'm still grinding away at the next version, and I've done most of the new befriending action – in the next release you'll be able to take your potential friend out shopping instead of just going for coffee.

I've come away from feeling well and truly violated, on behalf of my character, but someone reading the scene a different way, and imagining their character's reactions differently, might not find that: that's good!

Thanks

The things you describe as future possibilities under the sexual deception category: dear light yes, those are the kinds of things that lift my pulse; promising to be safe, and then utterly unrepentantly not doing so? Awesome. Sabotaging their contraception or sneaking it off? Great, hehe. (Though I've been on the end of someone trying to 'sneak' a condom off more than once, and honestly, unless you're drunk as a skunk or high as a kite, it would have to be a pretty insensitive woman who wouldn't know immediately that he'd taken it off... but this isn't RL, *shrugs*). It would be nice if the woman, as the player, could -lie- about her status; claim to not be safe, even if she is, or is on the pill, or reassuring that she is safe, when she knows she isn't.

I think the obvious way of sabotaging contraception would be for him to secretly poke a hole in it, with perceptive characters being likely to spot it.
At the moment npcs are all able to guess how fertile the player is. Having the player need to tell them with the possibility of lying is something I'll revisit later, but I don't know at this point how feasible it'll be to code.

That said, the standing of "These things are ok, because, you know, they're wrong and all, but they're not really rape." That's some pretty shaky ground. The definition you gave is pretty gross, just for example. It's murky, messy, unclear water, to be sure, but by that definition I'll give an rather extreme example to illustrate its failing:

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

A woman could kidnap some guy she finds tasty-looking, but who wants nothing whatever to do with her, restrain him and then torture him violently while asking for sex; if he says yes, the torture stops, and she, like many women, knows all about that fun place you can press that makes a guy hard whether he's aroused or not. If he asks her to stop having sex with him at any point, she will, of course, absolutely, stop... and resume torturing him. Understandably, the man will eventually say yes long enough to be forcefully brought off and for the woman to get her own jollies. And by the given definition there, there was no rape involved; he consented. Only, patently, he didn't.

It doesn't count as consent if it's obtained by the threat of violence.
Amusingly though, the woman in your extreme example is guilty of a lot of crimes and would go to prison for a long time, but she is not guilty of rape under my country's law. Rape is defined in section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act (2003):

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(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

I would say that it's probably the case for a great majority of women (though I don't include myself in this), that having a guy finish inside them when they aren't safe and told him not to - especially if it's not an intimate lover - is going to be genuinely traumatic for them.

In a game with a strong focus on accidental/unwanted impregnation, this is going to have to be a departure from reality. Hopefully players will be able to suspend their disbelief for this issue, much as I largely ignore the psychological consequences of someone having their sex changed involuntarily.

Especially in a world where termination apparently isn't an option.

Termination won't be added for three reasons:
First, it couldn't be added as a serious choice that the player agonises over, because that sort of content isn't suitable for what is supposed to be a fun and fairly lighthearted sex game.
Second, it's unnecessarily embracing a very controversial issue, considering that the impregnation content means characters would potentially end up having abortions far more frequently and more casually than real-life women do. I prefer to avoid getting embroiled in that sort of thing, which is also why I won't be including real-world political parties or religions in the game.
Third, and most importantly, it would take away from the impregnation content if, on accidentally getting pregnant, the player could just pop down the doctor and get a termination.

The absence of abortion in the game isn't related to my real-world beliefs. In general, I don't think those have much influence on Newlife at all – I deliberately try not to include anything I think is too serious.

Some times, I've had situations where my character isn't aroused at all, and the progressions has gone, essentially: tell guy you don't want to go too far, guy tells you to relax, and strips off your undies; tell guy you're not safe, guy doesn't respond to that at all, but kisses you, your character finds it gross; push guy away, guy mounts you; try to push guy off you, fail, guy takes your virginity, it hurts; At this point, the only options actually showing up are to do nothing, or to try moving... 'Stop' isn't there, though clearly, no part of this is any fun at all for your character... she's in pain, mostly. Those then remain the only two options until the guy blows his load.

I'm not sure what's going on there. I ran a few tests and couldn't replicate the issue. I'd need more information to identify the problem, perhaps a save game.
The willpower modifier for the “stop having sex” action is set so it should on average be disabled when the character hits the threshold where they start really enjoying sex. That's the point where your character will react positively even to rough handling.
From what you wrote, I assume you got one of the messages that relates to a bad first time. These are:
The pain between your legs makes you realise that you're losing your virginity, and it's not a pleasant experience.
You let out a pained gasp as he takes your virginity
Despite the gentle entry your body isn't ready for sex yet and you let out a pained gasp at the intrusion
You feel the pain of it inside you and realise that your first time is not shaping up to be a pleasant experience
Assuming that to be the case, you shouldn't even be close to the “enjoy” arousal level. I could imagine still failing with the combination of low will and some negative modifiers, in particular the highest alcohol one, and perhaps a really extreme situation could see normal willpower girls also failing, but it really shouldn't be happening with high willpower unless he's your boyfriend who you're in love with and you're also drunk out of your head or something.
For the next version I've adjusted the effect of alcohol on willpower downward slightly, but even the maximum alcohol penalty in the current version shouldn't be near enough to drop you from failing at “enjoy” level to failing when you aren't even comfortable having sex.

So non-penetrative orgasms count as well? I've been trying a play hanging onto my v-card for the full time, but lowering stress seems harder than ever, with her.

All orgasms count, as does enjoyment from any source.

I've noticed at times of will-failure the blow job options disappear completely as well.

There isn't an actual willpower test there, so traits like Iron Will won't have an effect. The oral actions get disabled if your character is close to orgasm.

impregnator jerks 'slipping' to the front at the last moment, etc.,

Doesn't sound very hygienic... I'd rather not write that tbh.

Sorry for the long chattering... I tend to get very talkative over projects and games that I really like and have grown passionate about, and I should stress again, that I love yours!

No problem. I love hearing that people are enjoying the game Next version should be ready in about a week or so.

Ok, I have to revise my earlier statement:
It's actually damn excellent writing.
I don't know why exactly, as it's pretty far from my usual fare (maybe because of that), but I definitely sunk some time into it by now. Kudos!
As for an oddity:
The "Begin touching yourself" option disappears with a mode change, like, say, pulling a guys trousers down, until you do something.

Thank you
Begin touching yourself has the same limitation as the automatic self-pleasuring that happens once it's been selected – your previous action must leave you with a free hand.
It's true that this has some odd consequences, in particular it means you can't start touching yourself immediately after taking off some of your clothes. I'll update the logic for the next version.

Is it possilbe to have shower sex while pregnant?

Not while heavily pregnant, unless I'm forgetting something. You should still be able to get into the makeout scene and from there to oral though.
When the “from behind while standing” sex scene gets added, that'll be allowable at any stage of pregnancy, so it'll give you a sex option in the shower.

[Bagashi]

When the “from behind while standing” sex scene gets added

YES

Also...

Will a scene related to "sex for promotion" include the legendary "bent Secretary"? Or maybe even not for promotion but just for... fun?

So far, i repeat, this is the deepest of grafic-sex games.

[Niara]

Thanks for the responses! It put up the shortlist of little bits and pieces I had to report over on your site, though I wager you've seen that by now ^.^

I think the obvious way of sabotaging contraception would be for him to secretly poke a hole in it, with perceptive characters being likely to spot it.
At the moment npcs are all able to guess how fertile the player is. Having the player need to tell them with the possibility of lying is something I'll revisit later, but I don't know at this point how feasible it'll be to code.

Huh... I didn't know the guys were psychic; I thought they were essentially performing willpower checks of their own, in relation to whether they were ok taking risks or not (in the case of conscientious or paternaphobic guys, anyhow). So does that mean that jerks who get kicks out of being harmful and who want to get girls pregnant, might use condoms or pull out flawlessly when you're safe, just to trick you on the one time you're not... becuase they know? That's neat ^.^

Amusingly though, the woman in your extreme example is guilty of a lot of crimes and would go to prison for a long time, but she is not guilty of rape under my country's law. Rape is defined in section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act (2003):

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

Wait... so, you're saying that where you are, it's officially and legally impossible for women to commit rape? That is severely fucked up, if you'll pardon my language... majorly, cavemanishly fucked up. Victims, both male and female, of female-antagonised rape are still victims, and need the same support as those violated by males - gender really plays no part in this type of trauma... but if the crime isn't legally acknowledged, then they have no access to that support. You have my condolences, and here's hoping that legal stage changes some day soon.

Termination won't be added for three reasons (...)

Fair enough, of course... though if you're concerned about an option trivialising content, the same could be said of simply going on the pill, so long as you don't have forgetful or unusual biology.

I'm not sure what's going on there. I ran a few tests and couldn't replicate the issue. I'd need more information to identify the problem, perhaps a save game.

I don't have the original save, alas - i overwrite my files as I try new things. I can add that it was on a character that had both 'Likes Bare' and 'Maternal', and I believe sensitive bits and hair-trigger, too, but also, Picky... and I'm trying to remember if she had low self-esteem or not. Think she had been fed at least three or four fancy cocktails, too.

There isn't an actual willpower test there, so traits like Iron Will won't have an effect. The oral actions get disabled if your character is close to orgasm.

Ahhhh.... I have learned a thing! Thankyou.

impregnator jerks 'slipping' to the front at the last moment, etc.,

Doesn't sound very hygienic... I'd rather not write that tbh.

It's not, you're right. Front to back is fine, but it's a bad, bad, bad idea for any woman to let someone go back to front... Even so, I've had more than my fair share of guys try to switch back to front, thinking that it's ok to do, 'because they saw it in porn', or something stupid like that... and a couple of jerks who were determined to fill me up in front, despite me letting them have anal so they wouldn't... Some guys are just plain arseholes, if you'll excuse the pun.

Thanks again for writing back, much appreciated as always ^.^

[atomicweasel]

So far, I love this game. I do have a question. Are there plans to add more extreme forms of sex than oral, missionary, and cowgirl? I'm hoping for something like anal, lesbian, and threesomes (both MFF and MFM).

[OmegaScales]

It doesn't count as consent if it's obtained by the threat of violence.
Amusingly though, the woman in your extreme example is guilty of a lot of crimes and would go to prison for a long time, but she is not guilty of rape under my country's law. Rape is defined in section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act (2003):

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

I looked a little more into this; apparently (please excuse my tongue) the UK legal system is as utterly fucked up as a babyraper(sounds a lot worse than a motherfucker, doesn't it) cannibalizing on his victims. I see plenty of reports of rape being dismissed or acquitted because the SOA doesn't count it as rape (or "false reports" (sure, most may really be false reports, but I'm sure there are several real reports that were bought off or a policeman made too quick of a decision or something)). There is also plenty of fucked up shit everywhere else in your legal system, but I'll stick to the sexual stuff. In 2013 an 18 year old Muslim had (apparently willing) sex with a 13 year old girl. He didn't know that having sex with a thirteen year old girl was illegal. HE WAS SPARED FOR HIS IGNORANCE! And much more recently, this.
...
I'm just gonna stop there. Plenty more I could bring up, but...

...

In a game with a strong focus on accidental/unwanted impregnation, this is going to have to be a departure from reality. Hopefully players will be able to suspend their disbelief for this issue, much as I largely ignore the psychological consequences of someone having their sex changed involuntarily.

I think you could at least put a "small reaction", like just calling him an asshole then quickly rescinding that and letting him know, or other reactions depending on relationship. But, your choice, and I don't really think it's justifiably needed in the game. Just a little suggestion to "enhance the playing experience". (Also, I'm now wondering how complicated it would be to track whether or not it was accidental/unwanted)

Termination won't be added for three reasons:
First, it couldn't be added as a serious choice that the player agonises over, because that sort of content isn't suitable for what is supposed to be a fun and fairly lighthearted sex game.
Second, it's unnecessarily embracing a very controversial issue, considering that the impregnation content means characters would potentially end up having abortions far more frequently and more casually than real-life women do. I prefer to avoid getting embroiled in that sort of thing, which is also why I won't be including real-world political parties or religions in the game.
Third, and most importantly, it would take away from the impregnation content if, on accidentally getting pregnant, the player could just pop down the doctor and get a termination.

The absence of abortion in the game isn't related to my real-world beliefs. In general, I don't think those have much influence on Newlife at all – I deliberately try not to include anything I think is too serious.

Well, I do respect your logic, but I do have a counter. If you do put it in, you could make it completely totally utterly perfectly entirely undoubtedly absotively posilutely transparently crystal clear that it is merely a choice for the player, does not relate in any way to the beliefs and/or ideals of you and/or anyone else related to the production of the game, and any complaints about the content will be deftly ignored/reported as flaming or whatever. And it doesn't really need to be a big deal. Just "You got an abortion." without any big complicated "Oh, but it's a living thing!" "No, it's a fetus. Once it becomes a baby, it's considered living." "No, it's as soon as it's conceived." "Can any of us be considered living?" "Shut up Steve."

impregnator jerks 'slipping' to the front at the last moment, etc.,

Doesn't sound very hygienic... I'd rather not write that tbh.

It's not, you're right. Front to back is fine, but it's a bad, bad, bad idea for any woman to let someone go back to front... Even so, I've had more than my fair share of guys try to switch back to front, thinking that it's ok to do, 'because they saw it in porn', or something stupid like that... and a couple of jerks who were determined to fill me up in front, despite me letting them have anal so they wouldn't... Some guys are just plain arseholes, if you'll excuse the pun.

Pun excused.
And again, yes, it is unhygienic if your pooper hasn't been cleaned out. With bare sex, just using the toilet before hand may be okay, but usually, enemas or such will likely have been used be used. Not only may not doing so be considered disgusting by most people, but feces can have several bacteria that cause infections.

[Bagashi]

Effectively...

If the "game" is against abortion as it could cause trouble about giving too much ease in said act...

The game as whole could then be criticized without failures about making males feel aroused being woman, transgender things and promotion of casual sex and sluttyness.

OF COURSE, that is exaggerated, nut is one of the possibilities the game offers: one can be as pure as can be or end knocked up by a stranger after a drunk night and pass pregnancy by copulating with any dick in a range of 200meters.

Choices are choices, and if thou cannot be reported for forved trangenderism...nothing can be said if among the thousand possibilities there will also be termination...

just as my colleague OmegaScales said

[UnLimiTeD]

Found this in 3.3:

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

You gasp in his arms, a heat rising between your legs as your pleasure builds close to an intense peak. , pleasure building between your legs

As added feedback, the oral scenes sometimes read... I don't wan to to say repetitive, but they really repeat themselves, which is odd for the one where they are a bit rough. As in, it's described like they "take control", but shouldn't they have it after the first time?
Also, after a date, was able to make coffee without having bought kettle.

[atomicweasel]

I've read the comments by the original poster, and while I do wish for more extreme sex scenes, I understand where they're coming from and respect their wishes. My desires are from a combination of wanting to slut it up in games like these and because I know a lot of women that are into these forms of sex. Maybe it's the area that I live in.

[splendidostrich]

Hello everyone. The next version should be out soon. For offline reasons it's likely that I won't be able to do much forum posting over the next few weeks. I should be able to keep up with development though, and I'm planning for the next version to be out tomorrow and then another release at the end of the month.

Will a scene related to "sex for promotion" include the legendary "bent Secretary"? Or maybe even not for promotion but just for... fun?

Bent over is one of the core planned scenes, so it probably will be available in the work events.

So far, i repeat, this is the deepest of grafic-sex games.

Thank you

Huh... I didn't know the guys were psychic; I thought they were essentially performing willpower checks of their own, in relation to whether they were ok taking risks or not (in the case of conscientious or paternaphobic guys, anyhow).

Without checking the code, I don't think the chance of him wearing condoms is based on your fertility. However, a lot of the impregnator-dialogue checks for it being a risky time. There's a particularly blatant example in the upcoming doggy scene, if you make the mistake of trusting the wrong guy to pull out.
That won't make it into the next release though – too many delays over the last week, so I need more time to polish it.

I don't have the original save, alas - i overwrite my files as I try new things. I can add that it was on a character that had both 'Likes Bare' and 'Maternal', and I believe sensitive bits and hair-trigger, too, but also, Picky... and I'm trying to remember if she had low self-esteem or not. Think she had been fed at least three or four fancy cocktails, too.

Hmm, I'll keep an eye out in testing. I made a few tweaks in that area, so we'll see if that changed things.

Even so, I've had more than my fair share of guys try to switch back to front, thinking that it's ok to do, 'because they saw it in porn', or something stupid like that...

I like to think that the porn people actually cut and take a break to clean up when they're changing positions like that. If I'm wrong, then please don't correct me.

So far, I love this game. I do have a question. Are there plans to add more extreme forms of sex than oral, missionary, and cowgirl? I'm hoping for something like anal, lesbian, and threesomes (both MFF and MFM).

The answer is: No but yes, yes, and no.

Anal isn't something I'm into, but I'll let it be voted on for the “prove me wrong” release and it's popular enough that I suspect it'll win.
Lesbians will get added, at least to some extent. I've been experimenting a bit with short bits of girl-on-girl content in recent releases, but there will eventually be proper lesbian scenes similar to the existing hetero ones.
Threesomes are too complex to write in a game like this. I don't think it'll be realistic to add them in anything but the most constrained sort of circumstances.

I think you could at least put a "small reaction", like just calling him an asshole then quickly rescinding that and letting him know, or other reactions depending on relationship.

There's the “you are angry and upset” line. Actually I think that maybe shows up a bit too often right now, but it won't really get handled again until I extend relationships to include planned reproduction.

Found this in 3.3:

Spoiler (click to show/hide):

You gasp in his arms, a heat rising between your legs as your pleasure builds close to an intense peak. , pleasure building between your legs

Thanks, that'll be fixed in the next version.

As added feedback, the oral scenes sometimes read... I don't wan to to say repetitive, but they really repeat themselves, which is odd for the one where they are a bit rough. As in, it's described like they "take control", but shouldn't they have it after the first time?

Well, repeating actions is something that'll always be an issue with how those sort of scenes work in Newlife.
I've made a note to look into that particular action. It's a bit too fiddly to change for the next release though.

Also, after a date, was able to make coffee without having bought kettle.

I actually once had to live in a place with no kettle, and I made tea by boiling the water on the stove. Still, that's definitely an oversight and I've corrected it for the next version. Thanks for reporting it

[Bagashi]

There's a particularly blatant example in the upcoming doggy scene, if you make the mistake of trusting the wrong guy to pull out.

Oh, goodness!