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Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Nonoplayer » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:50 pm

Always a Good Business Deal v1.06!
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Just want to share my last game "Always a good business deal" with the community. It is a short, animated visual novel that is based on a young real estate agent named Lily Candy, who is forced into doing whatever it takes to stay afloat.
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Lily is about to get fired from her job due to under performing, but her boss has given her one last chance to redeem herself. Lily knows she needs this job, and so this time she decides she would do ANYTHING to make her client satisfied...

Patreon Tentacles Thrive (currently developing)
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A good game should have interactive animations, lovable characters, a creative plot, unique dialogue, beautiful graphics, in depth game-play, and most importantly a captivating world. It's NOT RIGHT to do less than the best of our ability just because it is an adult game. Thus, we are crafting Tentacles Thrive for you to plunge into.

The game is designed with the focus on fun, peculiar fantasies and the creation of the most comprehensive encyclopedia of tentacle monsters the world has ever known! In the realm of Tentacles Thrive, you will be discovering new tentacle species, stealing Lilith's heart, mating to create new species, managing and reviving the Humana race, or conquering the world through strategic battles. It is an SLG game with a love sim elements and real-time battle. Depending on your decisions throughout the game's 100 rounds, you will unlock different endings, each with their own 2.5D animation.

Story
Living in a world filled with large and powerful monsters, the Humana Kingdom has been confined on a small island for as long as anyone can remember. One day a royal family member, Lilith, discovered that the materials she had been collecting to create fabulous clothing, were derived from creatures called Tentacle Monsters. This discovery, though seemingly benign, would became the event that shook the very foundations of the world and forever change the dynamic between Tentacles, the Humana Kingdom and all the other nations of TT.

Tentacles - rare creatures that live in some of the worlds darkest places. They are incredibly adaptable, shifting willingly from being solitary creatures to eusociality after their first meeting with Lilith, thus treating her as their queen. This co-evolution will bring great benefits to both the Humana Kingdom and Tentacles, but only if certain conditions are continued to be met.

Lilith - most of Lilith's family was killed in an invasion by monsters. Being born into a wealthy family, she was later adopted by the royals. She is most famous for creating beautiful clothing with a secretive fabric (dead skin from tentacle monsters). Little did she know that eventually the tentacles would mistake her as one of their own, and ultimately treat her as their queen.

Humana Kingdom - possess basic understanding of agriculture and melee weapons, but lack the time to further develop important technologies due to constant threats from other monster nations. They rely on their geographical advantage to defend themselves. Indeed if they did not have it they would have been completely destroyed long ago. Thus, are they in a war of attrition.

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Some species of tentacle possess intelligence. In fact, some may be as smart as humans. Building relationship between Lilith and certain tentacle species can bring a variety of benefits. It also affects the ending when certain condition are met. (more about that in the ending section)

Core Battle Gameplay
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The battle is fought in real time, where your allied tentacles monsters are spawned from the left then walk towards the enemies. The enemies, who are spawned from the right, conversely walk towards the left and your tentacle monsters. When the timer reaches 0, the monsters are unleashed onto the battlefield. Players get to customize their own squad by choosing from the species they possess. Expand your territories, discover new tentacle species, and enslave your enemies!

Monsters
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There are 60 species of tentacle monster and 60 species of enemies. Each with their own function on the battlefield. Fulfill requirement to trigger the special effect of your desired monster and turn the battle to your liking! (There will be more in a separate subject on monster spawning and class countering)

Mating
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Getting the queen pregnant is anyone's game! The aggressive tentacle species can mate at any time of the day, but others will require special conditions to trigger their inner sexual drive!

Animation
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The mating animations are done with frame by frame hand drawing, in vector (meaning they can be scaled to any screen size without losing quality). This allows for maximum flexibility to express each tentacle monster's characteristics. On the other hand, the battle field and ending animations will be done in 2.5D, which enables a great range of art styles to be animated. All in all, its just to provide the best rewards and the most unique experience for the players.

I hope to continue to do update here on LoK if there is any interest of my craft. So do let me know what you think of either of my games. I would feel more than joyful to discuss and answer any subject.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Elaymidoray » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:07 pm

Tentacles Thrive, I love it, +1 support
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby AcetheSuperVillain » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:23 pm

Welcome aboard. I love the artwork. It's great to see someone doing frame-by-frame animation instead of those annoying 2D skeletal animations.

As far as following LoK norms, it's better to give each game their own topic, and if the games need to be downloaded to be played, they should be in the Non-Flash forum. I think people tend to be a little suspicious of download-only games (I know I am). If you can make a Flash or HTML5 demo, that might help attract people to the final product.



PS- I see that you joined back in 2014? Once you get up to 10 posts, you don't need the moderator approval anymore.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby musical74 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:01 am

Hm, I'm actually seen Always a Good business deal somewhere before and kicked the idea around about trying it. Love the idea of Tentacles Thrive (tentacle sex is always a good thing for me!) hoping there's a lot of variety for who gets to have some fun!
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby WonderGamer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:37 am

Only gripe I have about Always a Good Business Deal is the gameplay directions really are not well described, feels like I'm trying to learn how to play it through trial & error...

Looking forward to Tentacles Thrive, just hope it's going to have a better play mechanic than AaGBD does (or at least better instructions)...
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Weirdo » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:40 am

Looks promising to me and for some reason i´ve never even heard about you or your games even though i practically live in the internet ^^
Even though im not on the tentacle train anymore ill give it a try and look forward to your future projekts since i like your aproach to games and the art is superb too
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Anonymous94 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:34 am

Tentacle Thrive looks interesting (I'm looking forward to it)
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby musical74 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:29 pm

@better instructions:

That might scare me away from trying it, honestly. I've played a few of the Suikoden games on PSX which essentially just dumped you in the game with zero direction, at all. Yeah you find out where you need to go and who to talk to somewhat quickly, but when I see the screen and go *no intro, just dump me here without any sort of explanation* it made it quite frustrating! Hoping Tentacle Thrive gives you a basic idea of what you are to do before the game starts! I'm not saying you need to give a 20 minute intro (I've played those too...opposite problem, 5 minutes of intro would have been fine, I really don't need to just click for 20 minutes before the game officially starts!) just enough to tell people *here's what you need to do, have fun!!*
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby keradi01 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:53 pm

Always a Good Business Deal's controls are really rough. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like it is pretty hard to time multiple clicks per "thrust" and I'm drawn to look at two different parts of the screen at once. I have to look at the center to gauge the pace since it speeds up and down throughout the gameplay by design and try to line up my rhythm properly, but I'm also drawn to look at the top right corner to check the information it's giving me. It could really use a better system for feedback. Plus the fact that I am deliberately supposed to vary up my pace with the clicking to unlock more stuff, I have to mind how much I'm clicking, along with trying to line it up with the rhythm and check the amount of thrust rhythms I have on the top right. So trying to make sure I'm doing well with any of those parts, means distracting myself from the others. But I don't know, maybe that's just me, but I have played a number of rhythm games before and I was never that bad at them.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Nonoplayer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:20 pm

Thanks guys, so glad to have a place to share my work with!

Elaymidoray Wrote:Tentacles Thrive, I love it, +1 support

Haha, can't wait to let you play the game~

AcetheSuperVillain Wrote:Welcome aboard. I love the artwork. It's great to see someone doing frame-by-frame animation instead of those annoying 2D skeletal animations.

As far as following LoK norms, it's better to give each game their own topic, and if the games need to be downloaded to be played, they should be in the Non-Flash forum. I think people tend to be a little suspicious of download-only games (I know I am). If you can make a Flash or HTML5 demo, that might help attract people to the final product.

PS- I see that you joined back in 2014? Once you get up to 10 posts, you don't need the moderator approval anymore.

Yes I joined when I published my last game "Always a Good Business Deal". Not too many noticed it unfortunately lol.
Good idea on providing flash demo, I might cut up some scenes and put it here. They both are flash games.

musical74 Wrote:Hm, I'm actually seen Always a Good business deal somewhere before and kicked the idea around about trying it. Love the idea of Tentacles Thrive (tentacle sex is always a good thing for me!) hoping there's a lot of variety for who gets to have some fun!

Nice, looks like I have left some impression ^O^. Let's hope it was good impression. As for variety, I agree, I think 60 its a start. But secretly I would like to implement more than 100~

WonderGamer Wrote:Only gripe I have about Always a Good Business Deal is the gameplay directions really are not well described, feels like I'm trying to learn how to play it through trial & error...

Looking forward to Tentacles Thrive, just hope it's going to have a better play mechanic than AaGBD does (or at least better instructions)...

Thanks for trying my game! I hear you on having better instruction. As for Tentacles Thrive, don't worry I will have intro stage where everyone can learn the mechanics and battle gameplay step by step.

Weirdo Wrote:Looks promising to me and for some reason i´ve never even heard about you or your games even though i practically live in the internet ^^
Even though im not on the tentacle train anymore ill give it a try and look forward to your future projekts since i like your aproach to games and the art is superb too

Thank you for the supportive words~ The art work is made by my men Augustinas and Bao. I can't bring the idea to live without them. I will introduce them tomorrow~

Anonymous94 Wrote:Tentacle Thrive looks interesting (I'm looking forward to it)

Yay, glad you like it~
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Nonoplayer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:37 pm

keradi01 Wrote:Always a Good Business Deal's controls are really rough. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like it is pretty hard to time multiple clicks per "thrust" and I'm drawn to look at two different parts of the screen at once. I have to look at the center to gauge the pace since it speeds up and down throughout the gameplay by design and try to line up my rhythm properly, but I'm also drawn to look at the top right corner to check the information it's giving me. It could really use a better system for feedback. Plus the fact that I am deliberately supposed to vary up my pace with the clicking to unlock more stuff, I have to mind how much I'm clicking, along with trying to line it up with the rhythm and check the amount of thrust rhythms I have on the top right. So trying to make sure I'm doing well with any of those parts, means distracting myself from the others. But I don't know, maybe that's just me, but I have played a number of rhythm games before and I was never that bad at them.


Another man played with my Lilith, yay~
You are not bad, the game is a bit difficult indeed. I hear you on having to gauge at two different places, perhaps attaching the rhythms with the cursor can help with that. Did you use the combination list that comes along with the game?
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Katarina » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:56 pm

Tentacles? Always fun.
More tentacles, please! ^_^
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Dongman » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:11 pm

will all the h scenes only be with lilith? other than that, this game looks really good.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby WonderGamer » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:26 pm

There are 2 ways you could improve the tutorial or by having an on screen tip to help guide the player in how to play the game. I honestly had trouble understanding whether I was supposed to click on the beginning of the thrust forward of when you hit the furthest depth inside of her. The two methods I'm talking about you could use to help simplify this would be:
  • A sonar type indicator that closes a larger circle in on a smaller one showing the point that you should be clicking where the circles meet.
  • A sort of flash around where you are clicking that is colored whether you are clicking early, late or correctly (this is more of a trial & error method, but at least it gives some kind of indication as to whether you're actually doing it right).
I'm not saying these need to be done on every level, although a short practice period on each level may be helpful (or at least a video to demonstrate how to do it), if anything, there needs to be an improvement in the tutorial that is already in the game (provided it's the same click point in the tutorial as with every other level, having individual demonstrations shouldn't be needed).
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Nonoplayer » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:21 pm

Katarina Wrote:Tentacles? Always fun.
More tentacles, please! ^_^

Agree, stay tune!

Dongman Wrote:will all the h scenes only be with lilith? other than that, this game looks really good.

Thanks~ Because of hand drawn frame by frame animation, only Lilith is in the plan so far. But who knows, we might find a creative way to implement another character into the story.

WonderGamer Wrote:There are 2 ways you could improve the tutorial or by having an on screen tip to help guide the player in how to play the game. I honestly had trouble understanding whether I was supposed to click on the beginning of the thrust forward of when you hit the furthest depth inside of her. The two methods I'm talking about you could use to help simplify this would be:
  • A sonar type indicator that closes a larger circle in on a smaller one showing the point that you should be clicking where the circles meet.
  • A sort of flash around where you are clicking that is colored whether you are clicking early, late or correctly (this is more of a trial & error method, but at least it gives some kind of indication as to whether you're actually doing it right).
I'm not saying these need to be done on every level, although a short practice period on each level may be helpful (or at least a video to demonstrate how to do it), if anything, there needs to be an improvement in the tutorial that is already in the game (provided it's the same click point in the tutorial as with every other level, having individual demonstrations shouldn't be needed).

Some great suggestions you've made WonderGamer. I probably won't be building practice level because AGBD had been completed for three years, however I might do something about the indicator and tutorial after I finish building the battle game play for Tentacles Thrive. Right now I am heavily invested in the development, so forgive me for not able to pull myself away.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby keradi01 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:52 am

Nonoplayer Wrote:Another man played with my Lilith, yay~
You are not bad, the game is a bit difficult indeed. I hear you on having to gauge at two different places, perhaps attaching the rhythms with the cursor can help with that. Did you use the combination list that comes along with the game?


I did use the combination list, it was pretty much the only reason I was able to get most of the combos (the rest were entirely by accident). However, I kept getting thrown off because different scenes seemed to go at a different pace. I recall how in one scene my thrust rhythms could easily reach 4, but struggle a lot to get to 5, while in another scene the pace kept jumping from 1 to 8 and back to 1 again immediately if I made any mistake. It feels like it is intentional for the different scenes to go at different paces, but it is admittedly difficult to learn the controls under such circumstances since it feels like I have to learn how to play each scene rather than the game as a whole.

I mean, overall, the game looks beautiful and is overall pretty well made, but yeah it's hard even with the cheat sheet.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Archoniq » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:18 pm

Hey! Both of these games look visually stunning, Tentacles Thrive seriously piquing my interest.

Do you have a Patreon set up? Because this is the kind of thing I would definitely support.
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Nonoplayer » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:21 pm

keradi01 Wrote:I did use the combination list, it was pretty much the only reason I was able to get most of the combos (the rest were entirely by accident). However, I kept getting thrown off because different scenes seemed to go at a different pace. I recall how in one scene my thrust rhythms could easily reach 4, but struggle a lot to get to 5, while in another scene the pace kept jumping from 1 to 8 and back to 1 again immediately if I made any mistake. It feels like it is intentional for the different scenes to go at different paces, but it is admittedly difficult to learn the controls under such circumstances since it feels like I have to learn how to play each scene rather than the game as a whole.

I mean, overall, the game looks beautiful and is overall pretty well made, but yeah it's hard even with the cheat sheet.

If I may offer some tips, there are two things that can be taken advantage of when manipulating the rhythm.

1. Crazy clicking technique...: it might say 3 clicks per thrust to move up/down the rhythm, but anything above 3 clicks will also achieve the goal.
2. 1~2 click technique: maintaining the same pace requires 1 click per thrust, but its in fact anything less than 3 but more than 0 click. So clicking slightly faster than 1 per thrust is advantageous.

I hope you can unlock all the hearts to check out the secret ending ^_^

Archoniq Wrote:Hey! Both of these games look visually stunning, Tentacles Thrive seriously piquing my interest.

Do you have a Patreon set up? Because this is the kind of thing I would definitely support.

My Patreon is https://www.patreon.com/nonoplayer Appreciate the support~
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Thomas » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:57 am

That Tentacles Thrive thing looks incredible! When do you think you will be able to upload a playable demo?
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Re: Always a Good Business Deal + Tentacles Thrive

Postby Nonoplayer » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:49 am

Thomas Wrote:That Tentacles Thrive thing looks incredible! When do you think you will be able to upload a playable demo?

Thanks for your kind words. I project the demo will be out within 6 months, but prototypes and alpha will be available sooner.

I usually work on the most difficult parts first. Right now I am about to finish testing tool for the core battle mechanism, which should be uploaded to Patreon possibly this month. After which I will have a sprint for the actual core battle built. Estimation are as follow:

Puzzle (completed)
Core battle testing tool (1 week)
Core battle (3 weeks)
Puzzle and core battle integration (1 week)
Other high level gameplay (6~8 weeks)
Integration, testing ---> prototype (2 weeks)
Tweaking, testing --> Alpha (2 weeks)
Tweaking, testing --> Beta (4 weeks)
Tweaking, testing ---> Demo[limited species] (4 weeks)

We need to apply 50% error give or take to the schedule. Good thing is we have made some animations and writing already, and Bao and Augustinas will continue to create animations, monsters and character graphics as well as backgrounds in parallel.
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