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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 2/13)

Postby Ivan-Aedler » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:52 am

Blargh finished Larry scene (koopaling!) but I am still getting used to my new routine to return to programming at high power. So I will check how to add it later.
I am in a new home (a less than 40 m² room), but I can at least make my own laboractory of computers.
I am with a temporary connection. I can have more than 5mbps but right now only 500k is possible.

I am testing the bugs found.
EDIT: Done! I hope those 2 bugs are now fixed (level 2-3 and vase bug).
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 2/13)

Postby Blood0men0 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:35 am

Welcome back Ivan, great to see your move wasnt to bad :)
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 2/13)

Postby Ivan-Aedler » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:50 am

Blood0men0 Wrote:Welcome back Ivan, great to see your move wasnt to bad :)

Thank you. Well, a 'shower object' exploded due to it being very old, and I misused a printer, connecting a 110v one to a 220v outlet.
Also, I am working with a more complex business. Since flash projects are more than another portal for our souls (where we can have hope and fulfill what we would want), for sure I would like to keep working on it in order to make it a complete game. I might continue the double life duties.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby MPLDAM9919 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:08 am

Welcome back Ivan! It's good to have you back.


So, what's new in the Aug. 10th update?


I also have an idea of adding Starlow from the M&L series in honor of the upcoming title Dream Team.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Ivan-Aedler » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:09 am

MPLDAM9919 Wrote:Welcome back Ivan! It's good to have you back. So, what's new in the Aug. 10th update?

Me too. Internet still unstable, so I cant promise I'll be everyday here during a dozen of days.
As for the updates, viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2265&p=223879#p223853

MPLDAM9919 Wrote:I also have an idea of adding Starlow from the M&L series in honor of the upcoming title Dream Team.

Interesting, but remember we still need to explore known characters more.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 2/13)

Postby Blargh » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:09 am

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:Blargh finished Larry scene (koopaling!) but I am still getting used to my new routine to return to programming at high power. So I will check how to add it later.
I am in a new home (a less than 40 m² room), but I can at least make my own laboractory of computers.
I am with a temporary connection. I can have more than 5mbps but right now only 500k is possible.

I am testing the bugs found.
EDIT: Done! I hope those 2 bugs are now fixed (level 2-3 and vase bug).

Good to see you doing well, Ivan! ^_^

Things sound stressful there (how do you survive with limited internet XD ) , but I hope you can back on your feet soon (aren't I one to talk? =3).

Now that Larry's pretty much done, I'll move onto the Toads (if I can find an FLA or you're able to upload one for me), or the piranha plants if the Toad FLA is too troublesome at the moment. Or if there's a higher priority you want done next? Of course, I'll probably still need to fix whatever issues you find on Larry, but I'll try to keep that from slowing me down again.

Good luck! :D
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby gravifan89 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:10 pm

So, when's the next update?
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby QuizmasterBos » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:50 pm

Welp, I've officially returned. I was on holiday. Seems nice, but I had NO internet there, so I've been catching up lately. I see the thread hasn't moved forward much, it seems Ivan really livens up the place.

That said, let's get back to business.

MPLDAM9919 Wrote:I also have an idea of adding Starlow from the M&L series in honor of the upcoming title Dream Team.

I think we've pretty much reached our character limit. There might be one or two more, but we have so many and I think we've exhausted all good options.

Besides, Starlow is just a weird choice. It's not doing it for me. So, I think we should just expand on the characters we have. We should be out of the general ideas part and in the full-on creating part at this point. We need to get this done before 2015, remember? ;)
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Ivan-Aedler » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Blargh Wrote:Good to see you doing well, Ivan! ^_^ Things sound stressful there (how do you survive with limited internet XD ) , but I hope you can back on your feet soon (aren't I one to talk? =3).

I am in a 'getting used to' phase. The work I do in my job is letting me tired after 6pm, aside of an unstable internet (100kbps to 300kbps), its almost a dial up modem!
This will only improve in the next 5 to 10 days. I cant do anything. But, if I become better later at night, I can code something. As I've said before, I can sleep only 5 hours per day if I want, without getting tired, but this requires discipline. With more available time, I can do more later.

Blargh Wrote:Good luck! :D

Thank you ;) I am eager to see your work with Toads. I will send an updated PEACH POSES and Toads, so I ask you please to use them (even cum objects I'll send) in order to avoid older files.

gravifan89 Wrote:So, when's the next update?

See above.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:Welp, I've officially returned. I was on holiday. Seems nice, but I had NO internet there, so I've been catching up lately. I see the thread hasn't moved forward much, it seems Ivan really livens up the place. That said, let's get back to business.

You guys can add something (like the 4-o level sketch) and when I am more free, I can update everything. I still need to include OwnerOfSuccuby animations.

QuizmasterBos Wrote: (Starlow)I think we've pretty much reached our character limit. There might be one or two more, but we have so many and I think we've exhausted all good options.

It will depend on the awaited characters, like Clefts, Birdo scenes, Piranhas... If the game IS complete, and more characters are possible (for bonus areas, or to the gallery), I will include more.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:We need to get this done before 2015, remember? ;)

As I've said, I dont put ANY end date because this gets us stressed. For sure we will try to code it faster, maybe even risk finishing it on 2014, but it will depend on good vibes and free time. Right now, like I said above, my moving stage was...terrible. I became sad, tired, stressed, without sleep while searching for a micro home to rent. But the worst has passed (I hope).

So I'll be still accessing here tonight, tomorrow, etc, but if I code something, it will be in paralel, with no game updates yet.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Thatguy45 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:36 am

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:Blargh finished Larry scene (koopaling!) but I am still getting used to my new routine to return to programming at high power. So I will check how to add it later.


Can't wait.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:I think we've pretty much reached our character limit. There might be one or two more, but we have so many and I think we've exhausted all good options.

Besides, Starlow is just a weird choice. It's not doing it for me. So, I think we should just expand on the characters we have. We should be out of the general ideas part and in the full-on creating part at this point.


There's always more options, Quiz. Both genders. While I agree we need to improve and use all we have planned right now, there's no reason to stop thinking of ideas, even if they're things that might only be a non-interactive background character or special gallery-only animation.

Thatguy45 Wrote:"Shower scene" has given me an idea though. So we all know that prison cliche where a person 'drops the soap' and ends up being penetrated. That could be in this game somewhere. If I remember correctly, Peach will end up captured and in a dungeon at some point right? Perhaps this could be an optional scene with one of the others in the dungeon. If you want it to be by a bad guy, try Waluigi, a wicked but minor character.


Any thoughts on this, guys?

Also, have any more plans been made for Wario recently, like what kind of porno he'll film Peach in? My suggestion is that you can unlock a different scene with him for every full world you beat, though the unlocked scene doesn't have to do with the world. I know a while ago I suggested that Mona might be seen having sex with Wario, or at least leaving from having sex with him. This would make a good opening for Wario paying girls to be in porn.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby QuizmasterBos » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:14 pm

Thatguy45 Wrote:
QuizmasterBos Wrote:I think we've pretty much reached our character limit. There might be one or two more, but we have so many and I think we've exhausted all good options.

Besides, Starlow is just a weird choice. It's not doing it for me. So, I think we should just expand on the characters we have. We should be out of the general ideas part and in the full-on creating part at this point.


There's always more options, Quiz. Both genders. While I agree we need to improve and use all we have planned right now, there's no reason to stop thinking of ideas, even if they're things that might only be a non-interactive background character or special gallery-only animation.

In case you don't know, Starlow is this thing:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... tarlow.jpg
Which I think is just a weird pick. Even if it's in the honor of Mario and Luigi Dream Team (bros.). Speaking of which, I finally got around to playing it today, I had the game for two weeks but didn't feel like playing it. I've logged about 2 hours on it now. So far, I've seen two entirely new friend species (technically one, or even more depending on how you look at it.), but nothing really usable. Neither are the enemies I've seen.

Let's at least make the rules a lot more strict. New characters should only get added if basically everyone agrees with putting the character in, as well as having a proper place in the game. We should pick characters only if they have a spot to fulfill, not create not positions just to house the characters.

Thatguy45 Wrote:"Shower scene" has given me an idea though. So we all know that prison cliche where a person 'drops the soap' and ends up being penetrated. That could be in this game somewhere. If I remember correctly, Peach will end up captured and in a dungeon at some point right? Perhaps this could be an optional scene with one of the others in the dungeon. If you want it to be by a bad guy, try Waluigi, a wicked but minor character.

Any thoughts on this, guys?

Also, have any more plans been made for Wario recently, like what kind of porno he'll film Peach in? My suggestion is that you can unlock a different scene with him for every full world you beat, though the unlocked scene doesn't have to do with the world. I know a while ago I suggested that Mona might be seen having sex with Wario, or at least leaving from having sex with him. This would make a good opening for Wario paying girls to be in porn.

Sounds good, we need more scene ideas. But, is there a shower around in the prison?

Wario's a bit too disgusting to get a full 8 scenes, so I prefer one instead, if he gets a scene.
Instead, Peach could star in a porno, it would pay well. Maybe new pornos can be shot each world? Would that satisfy you?
That said, I'm just naming some alternative, we haven't talked about Wario in a long time, mostly because he's unimportant right now. Let's see what Ivan thinks.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Thatguy45 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:46 pm

QuizmasterBos Wrote:
Wario's a bit too disgusting to get a full 8 scenes, so I prefer one instead, if he gets a scene.
Instead, Peach could star in a porno, it would pay well. Maybe new pornos can be shot each world? Would that satisfy you?
That said, I'm just naming some alternative, we haven't talked about Wario in a long time, mostly because he's unimportant right now. Let's see what Ivan thinks.


That's kind of what I meant. I was really tired when I typed that. Wario isn't in every porn because he's the director or whatever, but he is in charge of the business. The first and maybe only scene with him could be him "testing" Peach out for the role, deeming her worthy, and giving her parts in the porns later on.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Bangue » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:02 pm

I'm having a problem at the level 3 of Dry Dry desert, i catn find the key to pass the fase, and also i cant enter any of the three pots after i join the first room of level 3
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby VintageBass » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:34 pm

Thatguy45 Wrote:That's kind of what I meant. I was really tired when I typed that. Wario isn't in every porn because he's the director or whatever, but he is in charge of the business. The first and maybe only scene with him could be him "testing" Peach out for the role, deeming her worthy, and giving her parts in the porns later on.

What makes you think that's his "only" scene? But for the fat bastard to get more scenes? Uh, no. For me I rather see more handsome men than someone bearing a resemblance to Ron Jeremy. Otherwise I could picture him being the casting director, him "testing' the girls to see if they're worthy to be in his films. Hey if the girls can fuck him, they can take on any guy.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:Which I think is just a weird pick. Even if it's in the honor of Mario and Luigi Dream Team (bros.).

But she got her start in Bowser's Inside Story. Sure she's added in the new game, but it's not really much different from when she debuted. If anything she might be paired with Luigi considering the relationship in Dream Team, but that's as far as I know... or what I can get off the wiki.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:Speaking of which, I finally got around to playing it today, I had the game for two weeks but didn't feel like playing it. I've logged about 2 hours on it now. So far, I've seen two entirely new friend species (technically one, or even more depending on how you look at it.), but nothing really usable. Neither are the enemies I've seen.

The game itself doesn't play too badly. I had the demo to try out and I like it. I enjoy the graphics, the gameplay was good and I love the battles as always. That's probably my favorite part of the M&L games are the battles and using the Bros. Attacks to perform these insane moves. Though some of those moves I do need to master, but otherwise there's plenty of others I can use and bash through my enemies with ease.

And speaking of games, I finally got something to read my micro SD card and I can play Super Princess Peach and Partners in Time. I know there's ideas taken from it, but if there's anything else I can find from the game, I'll speak out about it.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:Let's at least make the rules a lot more strict. New characters should only get added if basically everyone agrees with putting the character in, as well as having a proper place in the game. We should pick characters only if they have a spot to fulfill, not create not positions just to house the characters.

So wait, a while back I suggested doing something with Tuxie and her mom. Granted it's a one-time thing, but are you saying I should hold her off until a much later date. I do have a plan for the two of them, but they don't really contribute anything unless I could work something out. But if it's better to put her off for later, I can handle that. I still need to come up with a concept design for both the mom and Tuxie, plus maybe a short back story and motivation.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby MPLDAM9919 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:39 am

I do like the sound of the whole "Wario is filming a porno" idea. Maybe after a certain part of the game (Once you reach World 5 or something) you can go and find Wario and talk to him and Peach can star in these pornos that are completely optional to the player. One or two of them can be pure lesbian with Mona and a few with Wario and Mona and so forth. Maybe a few with some of the Wario Ware cast (like Jimmy T.)
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Toyloli » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:49 pm

Ooh, maybe the whole point of the game is that Wario is filming a porno.
He's in cahoots with bowser and that guy on the cloud is secretly filming everything peach does so Wario can sell videos of it.
And then she can confront Wario at some point and has the option to trash his studio and equipment or work with him :P
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Mind » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:15 pm

Hello. I just registered to say thx for you for amking this game. This game is awesome and going in good way. I think it would be nice to do special Toad scene where he allows peach to pick all the coins (this is 1-1 world, near home). It would be really nice to see that. Additionally gaining money for "helping" some guys, I think this aspect in online games is forgotten too much and it would be nice to see ths there too, money doesn't need to be so big. Idea with making porn (if it will be quest that can pe repeated) is nice for me. I can't wait for Toads scenes! And one more thing. Seller in city could give advice to Peach that someone in city pays girls for their "work", she can later work as prostitute there and gain a little money (it could be limitted somehow). Oh, and shroom action near Mario's house would be great too.

Keep ur work, U're doing GREAT job, it is my favourite flash game so far. And I hope Ivan will be better in new place :)

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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Ivan-Aedler » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:08 am

My News: First week of new work was.....decent but stressful. It's a project involving Enterprise Java. I am programming more OO code, this can be good for Flash AS3 in the next year (a possible conversion of PUT). Internet is now better due to a new 3g service but still not ideal (1mbps max). Cable Internet only in the next week (up to 30th of august) so I can restart uploading new versions. I am getting used to the new time routines so I can resume programming. I hope september will be better.

Thatguy45 Wrote:There's always more options, Quiz. Both genders. While I agree we need to improve and use all we have planned right now, there's no reason to stop thinking of ideas, even if they're things that might only be a non-interactive background character or special gallery-only animation.

I am always open for new ideas. Even farting was discussed (although it was dropped).

Thatguy45 Wrote:Any thoughts on this, guys?

I like the soap scene but , again, it's for later, when we have some prison scenes first.

Thatguy45 Wrote:Also, have any more plans been made for Wario recently, like what kind of porno he'll film Peach in? My suggestion is that you can unlock a different scene with him for every full world you beat, though the unlocked scene doesn't have to do with the world.

I like the 'sneaker' role, where Wario can appear in certain end of levels. And he can appear in the pub in a random occurrence, rarely.

Thatguy45 Wrote:I know a while ago I suggested that Mona might be seen having sex with Wario, or at least leaving from having sex with him. This would make a good opening for Wario paying girls to be in porn.

Possible. This doesnt need a playable Mona character.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:quote I know a while ago I suggested that Mona might be seen having sex with Wario, or at least leaving from having sex with him. This would make a good opening for Wario paying girls to be in porn./quote

Whops!

QuizmasterBos Wrote:Sounds good, we need more scene ideas. But, is there a shower around in the prison?

There will be a dirty bathroom (not 'really' dirty, actually a cummy one -> enemies are not 'real' dirty. Its a white delicious cum for Peach, and maybe some dungeon mud).
This bathroom will have a toilet and a gloryhole. The shower could be in the room itself, as the dungeon is generally rocky. So Peach needs to take a shower nude, open for the dwellers/guards to see ;) So this scene can occur.

QuizmasterBos Wrote:Wario's a bit too disgusting to get a full 8 scenes, so I prefer one instead, if he gets a scene. Instead, Peach could star in a porno, it would pay well. Maybe new pornos can be shot each world? Would that satisfy you? That said, I'm just naming some alternative, we haven't talked about Wario in a long time, mostly because he's unimportant right now. Let's see what Ivan thinks.

He is unimportant. If he's in, I will still test him, and it will be a bit hard to make him walk, etc. So for now, if he's in, in the next months, it will be just quick sneaky scenes.

Bangue Wrote:I'm having a problem at the level 3 of Dry Dry desert, i catn find the key to pass the level, and also i cant enter any of the three pots after i join the first room of level 3

The key is inside those sandy blocks. Peach can grab them. Just pay attention of those soundboxes (purple box) because they give tips.
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby Ivan-Aedler » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:18 am

VintageBass Wrote:(my avatar)

I forgot to say the following when I was moving in the last week, but I REALLY DO love your avatar! I imagine this girl fully frontal, and with her breasts milking ;)

VintageBass Wrote:For me I rather see more handsome men than someone bearing a resemblance to Ron Jeremy. Otherwise I could picture him being the casting director, him "testing' the girls to see if they're worthy to be in his films. Hey if the girls can fuck him, they can take on any guy.

This will only be possible if we have a kind of hidden dusky strip house, but lets not forget, a kind of medieval one.

VintageBass Wrote:And speaking of games, I finally got something to read my micro SD card and I can play Super Princess Peach and Partners in Time. I know there's ideas taken from it, but if there's anything else I can find from the game, I'll speak out about it.

Please do it.

VintageBass Wrote:Tuxie and her mom. Granted it's a one-time thing, but are you saying I should hold her off until a much later date. I do have a plan for the two of them, but they don't really contribute anything unless I could work something out. But if it's better to put her off for later, I can handle that. I still need to come up with a concept design for both the mom and Tuxie, plus maybe a short back story and motivation.

You can make them when you want and I can add them when I am making world 6 hopefully.

Toyloli Wrote:Ooh, maybe the whole point of the game is that Wario is filming a porno. He's in cahoots with bowser and that guy on the cloud is secretly filming everything peach does so Wario can sell videos of it. And then she can confront Wario at some point and has the option to trash his studio and equipment or work with him :P

No no. Maybe for another game ;) This one is pure and simple. Peach is searching for Mario and she is not being filmed. I wont even include cameras to Lakitus, as this is anti-medieval.

Mind Wrote:Hello. I just registered to say thx for you for making this game. This game is awesome and going in good way. I think it would be nice to do special Toad scene where he allows peach to pick all the coins (this is 1-1 world, near home). It would be really nice to see that. Additionally gaining money for "helping" some guys, I think this aspect in online games is forgotten too much and it would be nice to see ths there too

Posslble! So Peach can be kind of 'blocked' by a toad, like some adventure games, when Peach walks then he says: 'HEY!! You cant take these coins!' Only if you do something...
Or I can make the coins 'non grabbable' (Peach trespassing them), then the toad will only allow her if she fucks or sucks him. Blargh has some toad ideas and I need to send some updated files to him.

Mind Wrote:Idea with making porn (if it will be quest that can pe repeated) is nice for me.

Yes, like toilet scenes. You can use endless times, and in certain levels (like 9-3) you can see another toilet and see more scenes.

Mind Wrote: I can't wait for Toads scenes! And one more thing. Seller in city could give advice to Peach that someone in city pays girls for their "work", she can later work as prostitute there and gain a little money (it could be limitted somehow). Oh, and shroom action near Mario's house would be great too.

Work as prostitute maybe possible when I add Wario and some sneaker scenes, so Charlieton can tell her a secret area where his 'slut house' is.
Shroom action near Mario house (Mario Pad) is planned.

Mind Wrote:Keep ur work, U're doing GREAT job, it is my favourite flash game so far. And I hope Ivan will be better in new place :)

Thank you!! I am more busy than ever those weeks but I really do want to continue, as you all also make me have hope. Its a rare forum where we can feel in a big circle of friends. I'll try to be better!
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Re: Hentai: Peach's Untold Tale 2.0.11 (ago 10/13)

Postby VintageBass » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:29 am

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:QUOTE

When you tried to point out an error, the error happens to you.

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:
VintageBass Wrote:(my avatar)

I forgot to say that when I was moving in the last week, but I REALLY DO love your avatar! I imagine this girl fully frontal, and with her breasts milking ;)

I'm not sure about breast milking, but she is masturbating in front of teens in a classroom teaching sex ed.

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:
VintageBass Wrote:And speaking of games, I finally got something to read my micro SD card and I can play Super Princess Peach and Partners in Time. I know there's ideas taken from it, but if there's anything else I can find from the game, I'll speak out about it.

Please do it.

Got most of SPP done, feeling a little iffy about missing a Toad back in 2-1, but I'll get it later once I find a guide.

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:
VintageBass Wrote:Tuxie and her mom. Granted it's a one-time thing, but are you saying I should hold her off until a much later date. I do have a plan for the two of them, but they don't really contribute anything unless I could work something out. But if it's better to put her off for later, I can handle that. I still need to come up with a concept design for both the mom and Tuxie, plus maybe a short back story and motivation.

You can make them when you want and I can add them when I am making world 6 hopefully.

OK, but note that my first image will be a concept. I'll take feedback before I design the two of them to something more fitting for the game.

Ivan-Aedler Wrote:
Toyloli Wrote:Ooh, maybe the whole point of the game is that Wario is filming a porno. He's in cahoots with bowser and that guy on the cloud is secretly filming everything peach does so Wario can sell videos of it. And then she can confront Wario at some point and has the option to trash his studio and equipment or work with him :P

No no. Maybe for another game ;) This one is pure and simple. Peach is searching for Mario and she is not being filmed. I wont even include cameras to Lakitus, as this is anti-medieval.

But what about my pitched idea about Herrington being the one writing a story in vein similar to the game?

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QuizmasterBos Wrote:Sounds good, we need more scene ideas. But, is there a shower around in the prison?

There will be a dirty bathroom (not 'really' dirty, actually a cummy one -> enemies are not 'real' dirty, if so, its a white cum, and maybe some mud).

For the mud, I was thinking dirty water. After all there were some times my water in the shower comes out black because of some plumbing problems, so that's something to look at as well. Plus the mud would only make her stay in the shower long... and I see the logic in that.
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