The SimBro Game (Brothel Sim)

[IxFa]

whether the chick cums or not.
I just don't think the game has any way of tracking that.

Well actually, we did have that somewhat recent update that adds an invisible tracker to the girls' pleasure. The longer the scene goes, the more blissful her expression becomes.
Leads all the way up to ahegao.
It's perhaps not the best way to determine mood effect as you'll just spam the animation until ahegao for the sake of stats. Nonetheless, it shows some kind of female pleasure-tracking.

[Monkey Boy]

Hello, newbie here. Could someone give me an answer to all this please?

1. Who's Julia? I haven't seen her anywhere in the game.
2. I've filled all floors (basement, ground and 1st), maxed out stats at 26. What to do next? Will the game continue to progress after I paid my bank dept?
3. How do you guys recruit girls from bar, bank or hospital? Is it even possible?
4. How can I cheat in this game? anyway to repeat the hallowen event would be good.
5. Someone mention a premium version of this game. What is the different between it and the forum's version (the one I downloaded at page 1)?

Thank you for your help!

1. Julia is the "maid" that Alice brings to the Male Character for a job interview anywhere between the start of Day 2 to Day 10. She's really quiet and shy, and if treated well (as well as you can treat the NPCs in this game, at least), she pseudo falls in love with the Male Character (again, as well as an NPC can fall in love in this game). I know the game is more focused on Alice being the girl to "attain," but Julia's preferable... to some (read: to me).

2. I don't think you can pay off the debt completely yet, or did they patch that in?

3. Recruiting girls from the bar requires a Charm Check to be passed when you talk to them, then either charm them again or buy them a drink. After that, choose for them to go to your place, after having sex with them, pay them the $50 and reason with them.

4. Be a patron, and get cheat codes.

5. Forum version is one month behind the Patreon version. It's the version I play as well, I'll jump in on the Patreon bandwagon when they "fix" Julia.

[porne]

1. Who's Julia? I haven't seen her anywhere in the game.
2. I've filled all floors (basement, ground and 1st), maxed out stats at 26. What to do next? Will the game continue to progress after I paid my bank dept?
3. How do you guys recruit girls from bar, bank or hospital? Is it even possible?
4. How can I cheat in this game? anyway to repeat the hallowen event would be good.
5. Someone mention a premium version of this game. What is the different between it and the forum's version (the one I downloaded at page 1)?

1) If you play a male PC and have an open room near the beginning, Alice will bring in another maid, Julia. She can be convinced to become a whore immediately.
2) I don't think anything special happens after paying the deposit.
3) You recruit from the bar/hospital with a high Charm and Beauty stat. Bar requires both, hospital only requires Charm. You can only recruit bank lady once, when she's in the bathroom. Charm check as well. Requires male on all parts I think.
4) $10 patreon reward https://www.patreon.com/simbro
5) Prem is one month ahead, and has cheat codes if you want.

[Stevenator]

Yeah, she wants the MC to ask her to stay in the scene where she leaves, and in her date she's obviously into the MC. To say that the mood shouldn't go done only when she initiates is wrong. In current western (and even some eastern) culture, women prefer it when the man initiates. He just has to not be all gross and rapey... but that's in real life I guess. Julia's character (what little we can gather from it in the game's current build) is one that wants to be with the MC. If some random whores are able to have sex with the MC and not lose mood, she definitely shouldn't lose mood when having sex with the main character. If anything, she should GAIN mood when having sex with the MC, and lose more mood when pimped out to a client.

It still makes sense though, if you think of having a girlfriend unless they're a complete nympho then they'll get pissed off if you want to have sex with them all the time, the whole "You just want me for my body" issue.
Of course many women like the man to initiate sex but they generally prefer partners that connect with them emotionally.

Unless Julia just wants the MC for his body...that would be a neat twist actually, she's so quiet because she finds him boring and just wants his dick.
Wouldn't expect a game like this to stab you in the heart like that and make you realize what a monster you are in your endless pursuit of Alice's virgin vagina...

But then you continue to do it anyway because you're just a game you don't know me!


To tie this in with game balancing it does make sense, it'd be way too easy to keep her mood at 100 and whore her out to absolutely no disadvantage besides stamina.
Considering mood is in the game at all it should do something. Oversexing puts mood down, buying gifts or going on dates puts it up.

[DECADEsan]

Hey guys!
Can someone tell me how to activate Alice's shower event?
I'm playing as FC and it's on Day 57, her dignity is already at 50, but her doors is always "cautiously closed" whenever I drag her onto the shower room

[IxFa]

Just check the shower without dragging her there. Dragging her there is kind of like you told her to go take a shower, she'll be careful about it.
If she decided on her own, she might be less cautious..

At least that's how I found it. Check shower every morning to see who's up. Though that is as MC, not FC

[Monkey Boy]

To tie this in with game balancing it does make sense, it'd be way too easy to keep her mood at 100 and whore her out to absolutely no disadvantage besides stamina.
Considering mood is in the game at all it should do something. Oversexing puts mood down, buying gifts or going on dates puts it up.

That's why I said she should lose more mood than what's normal for the whores when pimped out to clients to balance it out. You not only lose her stamina to be used for income, but the entirety of the income that would be gained from it being used to service a client as well. You don't even need to give the normal whores half of the income as a bonus to completely negate any mood drop for sleeping with even hated clients. So having Julia gain mood for having sex with the main character isn't anywhere near game-breaking. All it would do is add more flavor to her character.

[Lucky777]

Firstly, the type of woman who would be unhappy that you only want her for her body seems relatively unlikely to be a literal whore.
So I'd say that type is irrelevant in this game's context, much as they are irrelevant to my interests anyway.
More importantly, even such a type would be pleased by a successful sexual encounter culminating in orgasm, even if they prefer a different overall relationship.

Going back to an earlier post, "Unless your relationship is purely sexual" would seem to be a caveat that applies here; chick's FIRST encounter with you is to blow you.
Or at least it can be if you play it that way; I don't know any other outcomes, having never bothered with them.
And "OVER"sexing may involve acts started at 0 whore-stamina, (impossible for now in-game) but it has little to do with encounters at high stamina.

So Julia losing mood while full of energy and fucking a dude she's into continues to make very little sense, despite any possible efforts at justification.

For any chick, losing mood for fucking without cumming, or while exhausted, makes rational sense - but the current state of game-mechanics plainly doesn't.
Annoyance at having to fuck as a job-duty when not in the mood makes sense too, and it's perfectly reasonable for a tip to decrease that.
Much in the game totally works for immersion, but I've always thought the -5 female mood across the board regardless of pleasure etc had no merit to it.

Game BALANCE is a separate issue, but is best dealt with in a way that supports immersion rather than doing violence to it, in my opinion.
The existence of a nympho trait is great, in game as in reality, and balanced (in game as in reality) by its regrettable rarity.
I suppose there could be a frigid trait that was the OPPOSITE, but again such a chick seems incredibly, astonishingly unlikely to have come into this profession.
The trouble is that the CURRENT setup makes it seem as though your entire cast (except the nymphos) already suffers from HAVING that trait, you see?
That's no good.


Also, to IxFa:

Ahegao-tracker seems like a step in the right direction, I'm pretty glad they put in something like that.

[IxFa]

Or at least it can be if you play it that way; I don't know any other outcomes, having never bothered with them.

I didn't know either, but you got me curious.
Started a new game, got to day 4, got Julia.

Results of not fucking her:
Alice +10 mood
Julia has 50 dignity(You can't have her fuck anyone)

[Lucky777]

Cool.

Also on the subject, I guess there could be a "she likes the client" that results in positive mood or less mood-loss, just as there's a "she doesn't like the client."

Apart from "when the chick cums she loses no mood" I still don't know what would be an ideal in-game representation that serves both sexiness and immersion.

I mean, I'm willing to sacrifice immersion for ALL kinds of things, and chief among those is sexiness.

But when both sexiness and immersion point in the selfsame direction, it's not surprising to see me in favour of the game going that way.

[DaveMcDavidson]

Still don't know how to go into the basemsnet.

[IxFa]

"she likes the client" that results in positive mood or less mood-loss, just as there's a "she doesn't like the client."

I agree with this idea. While I've never been a whore, I'd say I'd be less bothered to have sex with someone I'm very attracted to than some other random shmuck.

Apart from "when the chick cums she loses no mood" I still don't know what would be an ideal in-game representation that serves both sexiness and immersion.

I'd say I have a pretty high sex drive but I still don't magically find emotional satisfaction just because I found physical satisfaction.
I don't know the ins and outs of being a prostitute but I know I would find it draining on my heart to be fucked by people I never cared for day after day. Even sex with someone I love might not be as fulfilling at that point. If you want to really immerse yourself in the mentality of it I'd wager it's not so unreasonable that they need proper care and occasional breaks in order to stay happy.
Just give them time to rest, have platonic non-sexual friendships with people, and not be living sex objects. As by doing that, their mood stays pretty high, it's relatively realistic.
That's my two cents. Feel free to propose a counter-argument.

Still don't know how to go into the basemsnet.

Get some rep, get some cash, talk to Alice about business.
You'll get the basement unlocked and there's a couple of tabs that lets you move up and down floors. It's at the top of the floorplan window next to the title of the floor you're on.

[Lucky777]

proper care

Seems legit.
If you have time and means to take care of yourself properly you're more likely to be in a good mood.
High hygiene has a positive effect on mood already, so I believe this part is covered.

occasional breaks

Seems legit.
Even the most fun thing in the world becomes a chore if you don't have some rest.
If high stamina has a positive effect on mood as well, that's in order, but I don't know/can't recall if it does.
Certainly mood recovers over time, so a break providing a positive effect on mood is already accounted for.
Sex-drive recovering over a break is also accounted for properly in the form of whores that approach you voluntarily, for mood-gains, after too long without use.

These are parts of the things I think do work for immersion already.

Emotional satisfaction because I found physical satisfaction

Physical satisfaction is in itself emotionally satisfying; it's certainly no cause to become less happy.
I'd say there must be a correlation between the two.
If your clients are constantly too incompetent to make you cum, THERE I can very easily see your mood declining, and work becoming a chore.

draining on my heart

I can't speak to this line of reasoning myself.
To relate it more directly to the point under conversation though, consider at what point your 'heart' would be 'drained' enough for you to want to stop working.
That is, at what point you wouldn't want to work without added tips, but despite still having stamina and not having clients you dislike.

At whatever point that is, you have a consideration that could be applied to whores with some new trait.
Perhaps it'd be "unsuited" or "unwilling" or something.
Similar to those who have the hypothetical "frigid" trait, one wouldn't expect those unsuitable whores to mandatorily comprise 100% of your non-nympho retinue.

Nymphos NEVER lose mood from fucking, that's in order.
Those who ALMOST ALWAYS do must be something else.
The fact that whores who initiate the encounters themselves don't lose mood is in order, but I've always thought immersion pointed towards more no-loss situations.

Of course, since 0 stamina seems to be the point of "about to pass out", then perhaps "under half stamina" could be the point when mood starts to decrease.
As in, under half is "starting to get tired".
I dunno.

Haven't got the recommendations 100% figured out at all, I'm still bouncing ideas around off things.

platonic non-sexual friendships

... I uh... don't know that those are... actually represented in-game.
HOWEVER.
Occasional association with friends boosting one's mood seems perfectly legit to me, though adding a sexual element shouldn't reduce mood unless you're exhausted.

On this (or perhaps a related) note, mood gains from time spent chilling and buying clothes seem legit.
And if I recall right, they're NOT reduced by fucking at the store after buying clothes, which seems perfectly in order.
(I mean, one wonders if some of dem clothes are really COMFORTABLE enough to cause mood-gains, but regardless, this is a part of the game I've no quarrel with.)

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Or perhaps a more code-feasible alternative would be to have the current state be the tired state, and introduce a rested/enthusiastic state that occurs after about a day with no use.

Dunno.

I still dunno.

Still just spitballin'.

But I'm pretty sure the current state of affairs still doesn't seem right.

[IxFa]

Emotional satisfaction because I found physical satisfaction

Physical satisfaction is in itself emotionally satisfying; it's certainly no cause to become less happy.

Tell that to the legions of lonely people masturbating until orgasm and still being miserable people.

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Maybe it's just different for some people but I need more than orgasms. I'm not some special snowflake, there's no doubt quite a lot of girls out there that feel the same.

platonic non-sexual friendships

... I uh... don't know that those are... actually represented in-game.

I meant more along the lines of "you could assume they use their free time when not on the job to do that."
Not everything needs to be shown. We don't see them perform typical bodily functions either.

Still just spitballin'.

I appreciate it, I'm sure the creator likes seeing ideas as well.
Keep a creative atmosphere going where lots of different perspectives can weigh in and possibly develop great ideas.

[Lucky777]

We don't see them perform typical bodily functions either.

I mean, you DO have the opportunity to run into that one chick in the toilet...
BUT.
Let's not give the scat crowd too many ideas D :

Tell that to the legions of lonely people masturbating until orgasm and still being miserable people.

One never said it could cure all ills.
If they're miserable for other reasons, orgasms won't suddenly remove all misery.
They're CERTAINLY not going to reduce your level of happiness though, unlike being unable to achieve orgasm, and I'm pretty sure they'll ameliorate the situation.

Unless you're suggesting that pleasure can make your mood worse, I'm not at all confident you're disagreeing with me on this point.
'Cause we're talking about mood DECREASING, remember.
And I'm saying that it shouldn't decrease (or should increase, as it does in-game for men) if the chick reaches orgasm.

[IxFa]

Hey guys!
Can someone tell me how to activate Alice's shower event?

Relevant info if you aren't aware:
Female character must have a male NPC in their brothel for the Alice shower event. (I had 3 at the time, both Alice scenes I've found used the same male NPC, and it wasn't the bouncer one NPC. Thankfully.)
And the event is HOT. I love it.

If they're miserable for other reasons, orgasms won't suddenly remove all misery.

Very valid point, that's fair.

They're CERTAINLY not going to reduce your level of happiness though

The orgasm won't reduce your mood, but the scenario itself will. Orgasms are nice, but she's still being a whore and making pretty little cash doing so. They probably aren't very proud to let everyone fuck 'em just so they can get $60 per day. That's just 21k/year if they do it every single day without any days off ever. That's not a lot of money. Bonuses keep mood up as they actually make a more suitable wage that way but a lot of people have poor self-worth if they're fucking around all the time.
People are emotional beings. We girls especially... If orgasms made the mood not go down, you'd theoretically be able to have her mood never reduce at all by - through orchestrating it or just random chance - always having her orgasm every time. In that scenario, it doesn't reflect the toll it takes on her in the big picture.

I feel at this point we're reading too much into it. I do however feel inspired to write a new erotic story!!
Somewhat dark undertone for a story centered around the experience of some girls in a seedy and secretly illegal brothel. A big shift from my much happier story I wrote last week. I love getting inspiration. I will go get started right away~

[Lucky777]

If it takes a toll on her DESPITE remaining at high stamina, not having clients she dislikes, and cumming every time, I'd say the only cause is her being unsuitable.
I do think such a failure should be reflected in a separate trait rather than just being "not a nympho".
And even then, for her mood to decrease the same amount whether she cums or not doesn't strike me as right at all.


At this point right now I don't think that rattling the issue around will produce any new ideas on my part, but maybe I'll think of something later.
To summarise what makes sense to me at this point just in case I forget and want to look back - and in case anyone else wants to say anything - I'd recommend:
For Non-Nymphos:

1: Have orgasm tracking and have orgasms positively affect whore mood.
(Maybe make it related to the skill and beauty of the client, I don't know.
It just seems like pure nonsense for me to summon a fresh whore, have decent skill, decent beauty, decent charisma, high Hygiene, and still have her lose mood.)

2: Possibly have jobs at less than half stamina be the starting point for a negative effect on whore mood (apart from 'she doesn't like the client' cases).
(Working while tired is usually less fun.)

3: Possibly have jobs at less than half hygiene be a starting point for a negative effect on whore mood.
(Unless you've got a fetish for it, working while uncomfortably dirty is usually less fun.)

4: Possibly have the client's Hygiene have an effect on whore mood, with high hygiene of course being most preferable.
(...Unless a whore has a fetish for stinky guys, this one should probably speak for itself.)

5: Have a "she likes the client" descriptor with a positive effect on whore mood, just as there's a "she doesn't like the client" descriptor with an added negative one.
(If we leave aside disease [which I will, as it's an aspect of realism I'm happy to sacrifice for sexiness] then fucking unattractive clients is THE downside to whoring.
But it's balanced of course by the upside of fucking attractive ones.)

And in general (especially in case the female main character still loses mood regardless: I haven't checked)

Deal with game-balance issues in a way that does not harm immersion.

[IxFa]

We disagree, but I do like hearing your perspective on it all.
My position hasn't changed; I don't think whoring is a very emotionally-fulfilling full-time job. ( I only have my own experience to go on, so it doesn't mean much. )

Mood just stays pretty high all the time in my experience, thus the system would need rebalancing if mood-reduction is changed as much as you suggest.
I'll be fine with changes, even if I disagree with some of the logic.

More importantly, however, is content. That's what I want. Especially with the female player. Alice storyline is very nice on females...

[Lucky777]

(I mean, more content is always nice, yes.
And anything that requires a huge overhaul at this point seems like more trouble than it's worth.
I don't think any of the changes I had in mind would require a huge overhaul, but if any do, I'm all for them being done "later".)

[Fortilicious]

Is there anyway to tell what the difficulty setting in the game currently affects? I'm not really noticing any change at all in the gameplay. I'm frequently failing on stat rolls that show a 'normal' chance and rarely succeeding on rolls that have a 'good' chance of success. And this is on 'Easy'.

Also, any clue when we're going to be able to control Hair colors during character creation?

Also Also, can we has a way to get the "Nympho, tsundere, etc" traits for the main Female character?

Also Also Also, why does the "character" slider at the bottom of the character creator for female gameplay never work anymore? The first time I played this, many versions ago, it toggled between female character builds and outfits. Now, I'm stuck with the build that has stats lower than a lvl 1 prostitute from the slums and the Black Mamba outfit.