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So I just downloaded and played "Sadi's Hentai Game" over in the non flash project, and I'm disappointed. Not because it's a bad game. I mean sure there are numerous grammatical errors, and some of the text selections lead to same thing, and the combat is utterly pointless and almost entirely futile as I've seen so far because of the strength of the monsters, but it's a work in progress so that's not what my problem is. It's just not my kind of game. It might have been nice for a premise to have been included in the initial because then I wouldn't have bothered most likely.

I played the whole thing because I was looking to see if any of the interactions with the characters didn't end in rape and break. Sadly every single one of them goes that way. In fact the only characters you have the option of being nice to are a few nameless ones. There's a child whose father is trying to rape her that you can save or capture. There are two girls that are stuck in compromising positions that you can either help them out of or rape(both of which lead to short 16 bit on sprite sex scenes). Other then that there are 5 girls that you talk with that have anime faces and then accompanying sex scenes but every one of those sex scenes is raping them and breaking them. From time to time that fetish will do the trick for me, but I've always found that to be really sad. I think that that game would be greatly improved, my opinion, with the addition of the option of seducing them instead of breaking them because I actually genuinely liked his characters and would like to have seen them willing have sex, outside of the annoying sister.

Anyway, Sorry if that intro was long. I'm curious about 2 things. 1, does anyone feel similarly about that game? If you haven't played it, go ahead. It's over in the non flash forums(RPG maker of some kind), it should only take about an hour. And then 2, are there any games out there that do something like what I was suggesting? I mean have multiple girls to interact with and recruit into a "harem" so to speak, but give you the option of being violent about recruiting them or of seducing them. The closest to that I've seen is the game Harem, but it has the same problem in that whatever way you go about it they are still broken afterwards as they are your magically induced willing sex slaves that you as the protagonist plan to sell off when he gets back to his homeland anyway, but I suppose that last bit is just a disagreement with the author's chosen plot.

So to sum it up, are there any games out there with multiple girls and repeatable sex scenes but let you choose between seduction and rape?

This was pretty much how I felt about the game too. As for other games, there are none I can think of like that off the top of my head, I was going to say Harem, but you covered that.

I would like to clarify something before I get too many reads. I actually do like Harem (sticking entirely to the light path), I just don't like the domination thing. Not my cup of tea. But after thinking about it, and retrying it cause I hadn't beaten it before, I guess it's not that bad considering that sex slaves are a part of life in the world that game takes place in. I just hope that the ending of the game gives you some choice as to what happens to all the characters you've been interacting during it. Harem is about as close to what I was asking about in point number 2 as I have encountered, but I'd still like some partners that can be willing as opposed to domination.

Legend of Queen Opala series has some of that, though the H-content in that series is too small a percentage of the game for it really to be worth the time it takes to play.

I don't understand complaints like this. It pretty much said on the tin rape-rape-rape. Screenshots showed only rape... The author said only rape too.

Thaedael Wrote:I don't understand complaints like this. It pretty much said on the tin rape-rape-rape. Screenshots showed only rape... The author said only rape too.

Er... Where did it say it, exactly? I just reread the initial post and it doesn't say anywhere in it that the game is all rape and domination style breaking. I don't recall the intro to the game saying anything about it either, but I'll admit I might have overlooked it in my rush to play the game. As for the screenshots, well I only glanced at them to view the art because for me it's more enjoyable to see what's being said by the characters as they are saying it while I'm playing.

Either way it happens, my major complaint was not that he didn't accurately explain what type of game he was making before I played, that just added to my surprise and disappointment. My point was that he did a good job creating the characters and I was disappointed to find out that the only option of interaction with these characters was essentially to destroy them after gaining their trust. That's a shame for me because I actually liked most of the characters.

The main thing I was trying to get across was not to complain about Sadi's game, but to search for games with good characters and more options. My initial post only talks about the game for as long as it does to give full context to anyone who might care to weigh in their opinions as well as provide contrast to what I'm looking for. I was also thinking it might encourage discussion that might either lead to other games, ideas coming about or revelations of under appreciated games either from these forums or around the web.

The problem with choice is that it requires an exponentially growing amount of content to support each choice. Lots of people have tried to tackle this problem head on, generally in the form of a choose your own adventure story and try to give the player *real* choice. I suggest a trip to editthis.com or chyoo.com for a graveyard of all of these projects which grow and grow and have tons of content but don't actually finish any single part and eventually collapse under their own weight.

The other problem with choice is that you have to create a wide range of content that you may not have the ability or desire to create. You rage over your porn games only having rape scenes, but if you really want to offer choice you'll need to write those scenes as well. Oh, you don't want to make [insert content here] and have decided to just make what you feel like and are good at making? Congratulations, your game does not have true choice.

There are really only two ways to make a game with "choice" and come out the end with a finished project.
1) Have a really short game. Write all your varied scenes and make damn sure you have good replay value so players actually see most of the content you have created.
2) Give the illusion of choice and bump the player back into a linear path with only slight variations to it. If players don't like where that mostly linear path goes then they can play a different game.

tl;dr
Games avoid offering choice because it's really hard to do at all and even harder to do properly.

Athenapurpose Wrote:So to sum it up, are there any games out there with multiple girls and repeatable sex scenes but let you choose between seduction and rape?

I failed to mention it in my last post: some of the follower interactions in the text-game "Corruption of Champions" (now relegated to Fenoxo's back burner) follow that line.
http://fenoxo.com
It's on the back burner in favour of "TiTS", by the way, which isn't available to play as yet, but will be in due time - you can check that site to find out when, as I forget.

Additionally, some of the characters you meet in CoC (mostly in the comparatively pure city of Tel'adre) only have consensual options and no rape ones. Even so, I doubt the actual choice between seduction and rape concerns you as much as the consensual nature of the interactions.
You generally can't recruit the characters from Tel'Adre into a harem, though.

In the case of CoC the H-CONTENT isn't too small a percentage of the game to make the game worth playing, but the ROMANCE/SEDUCTION portion IS comparatively small, and while I find that to be an advantage, it's worth mentioning in case what the game offers is not what you're looking for.
The number of individuals you can have in your harem is comparatively large, but the harem's interactions are relatively few.
The additions essentially sit around until you call up their repeatable scenes, and the one that doesn't have at-will sex menus (Marble, by name) is more annoying than anything else, and not even worth the trouble.

jerkface Wrote:Games avoid offering choice because it's really hard to do at all and even harder to do properly.

It's not actually that hard to have a game that allows you to choose between seduction and rape, which is the choice that the OP was concerned about.
I severely doubt that including that choice would ever cause a game to get so overburdened with extra options that it would collapse upon itself.
The game devs probably just can't be arsed, for the most part, and I don't blame them, because I don't care.

People will make what they themselves like. If it isn't your favorite choice, either pay for the content, or pick it up yourself *shrugs*

At jerkface, First of all let me say that it's very amusing to me that someone with the forum name "jerkface" put together a well-worded response. That being said, I'd have to disagree with you a little. If someone tries to make branching paths from each individual choice of scene or have each choice have a major effect on the game, then yea it will very quickly become a lot to deal with. But letting you have options and then having just that character and maybe a few around them react accordingly, that's not that much work aside from writing the two entirely different scenes for each encounter(which I know can be a lot depending on your writing fervor).

Also, I'm not suggesting that anyone change anything to fit my whims. I mean I'd love it if Sadi added seduction choices into his game because I genuinely liked his characters, but outside of that statement I'd never even think of asking him to. And I don't think I was necessarily raging over this. The slight rant about Sadi's game was just a timely anecdote to explain my point of view, but I suppose I can see where people might think that. Anyway, I'll have to check out those websites you mentioned to see if there is anything I like. Thanks for the lead.


At Lucky777, I've heard of the CoC game before, thanks for the link. I'll have to check it out.
You are right in that I am mostly worried about the nature of the interaction, so I suppose just a non rape game might be an easier find. I'll admit that when I'm in a certain mood, usually a bad one, a rape fic suits me fine, but I still prefer the more positive interactions. But having the choice in the game makes it feel like I'm more involved because I get to decide the fate of the individual, which is why I ere more on the "light" side of choices.

At Thaedael, It's true. I'm not suggesting that anyone change their games because I don't like it. I encourage people to do what they like and to finish their projects how they want because restrained and/or unfulfilled creativity is a tragedy. I was just wondering if people more well versed in the internet than I had found something appealingly close to what I want.

Also, in truth I've considered making a game myself because I know how to use rpgmaker and like to view myself as creative. My problem, I can't write smut for anything. If I were to try and make a game, I'd need a writer to do the sex scenes .

(I'll try this once )
tl:dr
Thanks for the input and leads guys. I don't agree entirely, but you guys have some points for me to consider.

Cool, good luck.

When I started working on games it was partly because of what you're saying.
It seems like the games cater mostly to the rape crowd, whether you are the one doing the raping or the one getting raped.
Personally that doesn't really do it for me. I like games like Persona 3/4 where you build relationships with one another, and exploration games. Outside of Legend of Queen Opala, you're options are extremely limited, which is to bad in my opinion.