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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby The Fool » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:30 pm

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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby m3rchant » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:27 am

Whelp, looks like all my fears have been put to rest! Now that I know that this isn't going to be like the power going off mid-save, I retract my vote on Heikya staying the main character. Though, if possible I would like her to remain either a prominent or recurring part of the story. (So many memories... so many fond, pervy memories.)

She doesn't have to be though, it's just something that I think might be cool.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby VintageBass » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:48 am

Well if there's any concerns I have, it'll be along the lines of:

"What will happen to Nicky and Etim?"

If the idea of the new character being the child of Heikya comes true, and said child is a product of Etim as well, then it's possible. But I want to know what will come of the little slime bunny? Will he be OK?
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby coyoteredmoon » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:06 am

Etim will be good to go. Remember: you guys got him a permit and a benefactor! And Nicky is import to scientific research. You cant get rid of the little guy. :D

As for Etim being the father, I have my predispositions about that option. You all may have wanted the two to do the nasty, but Heikya was terrified of him. So I will have to think that over, still.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby The Fool » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:50 am

So after reading all the posts I missed I gotta say "NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!! NOT HEIKYA!!!!!!. Going to say that no I rather we stay with Heikya then pull out a new character sheet and start over (DnD reference folks). But before we start on that I want to give my thoughts on your (coyoteredmoon) to end?/Reboot the thread. First off it shows how much you want to keep this thread going by admitting your mistakes and doing something about it so good on you for that! :)

coyoteredmoon Wrote:>1- Being more clear about options. This is a bit of a tragic mistake on my part, especially in this tyoe of thread. So proceding forward, I need to either describe exact details before or in the options on continuing forward.

Ya that was a bit of a problem when it came to cause and effect options for more action base parts but I think the vagueness worked ok in choosing what to do first thing when we had no clear path to go down, EX. when she woke up, in the town, after finishing a quest line. Pretty much the what to do next part were, dare I say, enhanced because we started to throw out answers till one of us typed something that got the majority to follow till you lead us to the next part.

coyoteredmoon Wrote:>2- Front page management/ character understandability. Heikya as a character has some very YES or NO reactions, and I understand that those are hard to predetermine because I HAVE NOT DESCRIBED HER CHARACTER! This is sole my bad, and I must apollogize. So depending on how we continue I will be sure to make it very clear as to she works.

Yes with nothing more then her physical looks we knew next to nothing about her and had to make up our answers on the spot so adding onto her backstory and personality would help out later on. Though I have read that her blank slate was a draw to some so maybe you should only fill out the basics and let the players decide some of the harder, more prominent character points? Basically how much detail are you going to right before you allow us to decide the character's backstory/personality?

coyoteredmoon Wrote:>3- Making apparent that the front page manages many stats. So this is something that I feel I need to address, since I think many of you guys may not have realized that I was modifying the front page continuously with the her skill levels and inventory. I think the best way to probably fix this is sinply tagging on a link to her front page. Whats more, some of the stats were not clear as to what they do. Again, my fault. In my quest to be witty, I sacrificed decent information with sass.

So how will you do that, to explain the skills I mean? Because when you think about it a point basic skill set really seems limited as a whole, such as in on Heikya's front page she had 3 different skills on a point of 3 with all of them saying that she was starting to get ok at those while her slime skill were said to be above what she needed to know and that had 5 points. The 2 point difference really was confusing and what would be the level cap for that, 10,20, 100?! May I suggest something like this:
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Hand to hand: Ok/Normal
Overall: Good enough to be a minor threat despite size
Heavy weapons: Strong/Great
Overall: Strong enough to fight larger foes with confidence
Light weapons: Bad/Clumsy
Overall: Won't hurt herself but even defensive will put her at risk
Sex: Good/Clumsy
Overall: Knows enough to please her partner along with herself but isn't confident to lead just yet

Basically it would go skill then how good she is ATM followed by how she is overall. Instead of points it will go by skills going from bad to great such as bad=1->ok=2->good=3->great=4 and 5 would be a "level up" of sorts in the overall while it goes back to bad/rank 1. The overall thing could increase like for light weapons could go to weak offensive but good defense to Strong with light weapons and can hold herself in a one on one.

In place of numbers we get a clue on good she is with a skill then how good that skill is to her over all.

coyoteredmoon Wrote:>4- Clear goals. So as a whole, we did not have a clear goal in this CYOA and thats because.... we didnt. I was kinda winging it... yeah. Super duper sorry. So that is definitely the biggest frick up. I was doing alittle better on sub missions goals and what she was meant to do, but the unknown risks were scaring lots of players into overly safe patterns (In other words, the entirety of the Wizard's quests). Playing safe is great, but only if the situation has a clear SAFE and DANGEROUS option and the relative rewards appear to be there.

Not much to say here other then maybe if you put a tidbit like "this path would be hard and dangerous but it would lead to increasing a skill we need/something we want"?

coyoteredmoon Wrote:>5- The speed. I HAVE SO MUCH FUN MAKING THESE! And i love you all for playing and responding in prompt manners! The problem here is that I respond too quickly for A) lots of people to get their points in and B) people discuss the options thoroughly. Easy fix: calm the frick down RedMoon. Wait for people to talk to you, and maybe set it so that you have days of the week when you update!

So have any idea of the time line you want to set in place? Like would it be 1/2 weeks before you respond with the next path or something? Also if you do choose a "long" rate to up date the story may I suggest that you could draw/write about the world so we know more about the story, like lets say you chose every 2 weeks to update maybe you can post after the first week a small drawing or write about what's happening at that time.

PS HOW LONG WILL YOU ALLOW THE VOTING TO STAY UP??
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby VintageBass » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:42 am

coyoteredmoon Wrote:Etim will be good to go. Remember: you guys got him a permit and a benefactor! And Nicky is import to scientific research. You cant get rid of the little guy. :D

Damn straight! You can't get rid of such a cutie like Nicky go so easily! Even if he is going to be used for science (OF COURSE!), all need to hail the slime bunny!

coyoteredmoon Wrote:As for Etim being the father, I have my predispositions about that option. You all may have wanted the two to do the nasty, but Heikya was terrified of him. So I will have to think that over, still.

I'm not exactly all in favor of it, but who knows? I'm only bringing up the idea m3rchant suggested and also your comment about your face that you made. It's likely that, after some time, a little kindling is set down and ignite into a fire, and maybe a couple rounds of beer was passed around... Really, anything can go :P

Overall I'm not sure on what to do at the moment. I mean, it's likely we are going to get a new character in the future, but do we want one now or wait until Heikya gets to the point of her getting the job at the tavern... that somehow loops back to her being right back where she started. Didn't exactly think that out fully.

... I'm open for Heikya coming back, but I'm also for a new character... I can't choose...
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby coyoteredmoon » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:08 am

I'll be keeping the vote up for a couple more days since it's taken a bit for everyone to notice that I'm backish , and thanks for the comments! those are some great notes, and I definitely will be taking that stat page into consideration. :D
As for update rate I was looking at once or twice aweek (maybe, as long as I do not get too super swamped again XD). I need to not do any more than that though. Otherwise the update rate may be too fast again.

Concerning the potential new character's Pappa. I'm thinking about putting that up in the character build post that I've been talking about. We'll see, though; there are a few of you that want Heikya to stay in the spotlight, and you may outvote the new character yet.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby Omnimek » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:22 am

I may be suggesting something stupid.

You, coyoteredmoon, love making and playing these. Perhaps run two games? A quick and a slow pace. A primary and secondary if you have time/energy left over (For when the well runs dry or it doth overflow). This way you could cover both bases new and old character and savor two flavors while getting as much play as you can handle?

Its greedy and unfair of me to suggest, do not think of it as pressure to do anything you don't want.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby coyoteredmoon » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:42 am

I would love to, but the unfortunate long and short of it is: I do gotta work at some time XD
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby The Fool » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:55 am

To coyoteredmoon, To be honest I was wondering if you would consider restarting the entire adventure with Heikya as a whole, not the main character but have the entire adventure start over with just Heikya again. Meaning she starts like she did in the first post were she comes to a town and we starts from there. I mean the story as it now is like we're still in the first chapter of a book in a way with the transformation issues only ever giving real thought. Everything else really hasn't made to much of a impression in the story *sees VintageBass glaring bloody murder at me* :shock: EXCEPTFORNICKYTHESLIMEBUNNY!!!.........(pulls out hanky and wipes forehead)...ahem... Also if you wanted to reintroduce a character (like Nicky the slime bunny) all you would have to do is just change a few details and write them back in.
VintageBass Wrote: all need to hail the slime bunny!

Seriously though ALL HAIL THE SLIME BUNNY!!!..?! Wait!! WHAT AM I SAYING?!?!?! *slaps self* ALL HAIL THE SLIME BUNNY MOUNT!!!! I swear I will get a slime mount in this story if it kills me! :twisted:

VintageBass Wrote:Overall I'm not sure on what to do at the moment. I mean, it's likely we are going to get a new character in the future, but do we want one now or wait until Heikya gets to the point of her getting the job at the tavern... that somehow loops back to her being right back where she started. Didn't exactly think that out fully.

... I'm open for Heikya coming back, but I'm also for a new character... I can't choose...

Why not both?.... DANG IT MAN!!! Quit giving me ideas to pester coyoteredmoon with!!!!

So to be blunt,
what do you think of instead of dropping Heikya you add a new charator to Heikya's party or if you don't want to do that,
do you think you could put up a option in the voting booth that asks how many want to restart the entire adventure with Heikya again or would that fall under stay with Heikya vote?
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby coyoteredmoon » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:44 pm

I'll but up a couple new options in the vote. It'll dump all of my results as of now, but I'm not too worried about that.
I guess the vote will stay up a bit longer then XDD
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby Tsai » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:54 pm

I just wanna say from an artist's perspective if you start expanding the character pool the drawings will end up taking a lot more time and the game will run a lot slower as you have to draw two characters, determine their stats and what they are doing during the whole sequence. It would be a lot of work for something that's just meant to be for fun/an exercise. I'm not opposed to a new character. I'd actually like to see what you'd do with say a male character or a non goblin character.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby m3rchant » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:17 pm

ya know, it seems like the only idea being offered for a new character is my idea! Well if that's the case, maybe I should make two more?

First up is a brand new goblin from the same village Heikya came from. This would not only provide a means for new stats, but if we say she's had a much harder time getting to the village, Heikya would have reason to empathize with her and lend all the stuff from her adventuring days to her.

The second is one I'm referring to as the slime route. In this path, we have everyone's favorite slime bunny gaining so much intelligence from the experiments it's gone through, that it has actually learned to take humanoid form (though it keeps the bunny ears!) By now, it has learned how to copy people too the point, that it even can produce vocal cords and speak English! The problem, however? It has also gained sentience!
It wants freedom! It wants equal rights! It... wants... to know where that woman walking past got that beautiful dress!
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby VintageBass » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:44 pm

m3rchant Wrote:The second is one I'm referring to as the slime route. In this path, we have everyone's favorite slime bunny gaining so much intelligence from the experiments it's gone through, that it has actually learned to take humanoid form (though it keeps the bunny ears!) By now, it has learned how to copy people too the point, that it even can produce vocal cords and speak English! The problem, however? It has also gained sentience!
It wants freedom! It wants equal rights! It... wants... to know where that woman walking past got that beautiful dress!

Yes, Nicky can start up a new reign! Although would he be a boy or a girl, at least for a default state? Given that slimes can be anything, I'm just thinking of what will his core's personality and mindset be... and I could be messing things up, but I dunno. This does raise up some interesting possibilities, along with the fact that slimes aren't exactly on the friendly list with other humans, so we got some things to figure out.

The Fool Wrote:*sees VintageBass glaring bloody murder at me*

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VintageBass Wrote: all need to hail the slime bunny!

Seriously though ALL HAIL THE SLIME BUNNY!!!..?! Wait!! WHAT AM I SAYING?!?!?! *slaps self* ALL HAIL THE SLIME BUNNY MOUNT!!!! I swear I will get a slime mount in this story if it kills me! :twisted:

Way ahead of you. *rides in on own slime mount* Don't ask, I got my own slime king. We're buds.

The Fool Wrote:Why not both?.... DANG IT MAN!!! Quit giving me ideas to pester coyoteredmoon with!!!!

I'M SORRY! I'm so indecisive! T^T
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby The Fool » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:54 am

m3rchant Wrote: This would not only give the perfect excuse for us to not have to start from scratch, but this could also mean he\she gets to have extra stats and features from whoever daddy is.( I kinda feel like Etim would be the perfect guy for the job. Not only does that seem most like what we were all going for near the end, but think, a character who is mostly goblin, but with naga eyes, teeth, and tail. (though, he\she should definitely keep a pair of legs.))

....Really? Etim, the guy we know next to nothing about other then he's a elfin looking Naga and gives hugs a lot?......You wouldn't happen to be one of those rabid shipping fans that will ship anything together so long as they appear in the same scene together, are ya?! :o Cause if you are then...*takes 10 steps back before jumping into a anti-rabid fan shipping riot suit and shield with a spiked bat* I'M READY THIS TIME BOY!! (twirls bat around head) I learned my lesson after the last time I tried to argue with the Sonic fan-DUMB shippers. (shudders something awful). That and you have to deal with this:
coyoteredmoon Wrote:As for Etim being the father, I have my predispositions about that option. You all may have wanted the two to do the nasty, but Heikya was terrified of him. So I will have to think that over, still.

In all truth she'd be better of with a made up husband if we go that route other wise it would feel off. Once again the fact remains that we didn't get to know much of the world, Heikya, or anyone else in the adventure.
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m3rchant Wrote: Also, a second thought I had while writing this...
One of the reasons I loved Heikya was that it had this feeling that it had the freedom to go literally anywhere, be anything, do anyone! I think a part of that was the fact that Heikya wasn't really bound by any of the stats she was given at the beginning via class.

This right here. If detail must be given it should be basic and backstoryish for the most part with players deciding how the MC acts and reacts. Something like the MC came from the north city of Blah and left due to blah reasons. Or something like that Heikya had some mistrust of beings taller then her or had no issues with them which is why she left for her journey or something like that.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby The Fool » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:22 am

VintageBass Wrote:Yes, Nicky can start up a new reign! Although would he be a boy or a girl, at least for a default state? Given that slimes can be anything, I'm just thinking of what will his core's personality and mindset be... and I could be messing things up, but I dunno. This does raise up some interesting possibilities, along with the fact that slimes aren't exactly on the friendly list with other humans, so we got some things to figure out.

My guess is it will be the exact opposite of a herm, a "IT" if you will given that slimes are both genders yet does not choose a given sex at any time even when they divide. Though slimes as a whole are seen as a minor pest in most instants like rats and mice unless they are aggressive, then the hate starts to come out.

VintageBass Wrote:*looks at avatar* Does this look like the face of evil? Sure I may be an moderator on the site, but it's not like I haven't abused my powers or anything!

Every time I see your avatar I think of Brock from Pokémon. Supposedly he was based Korean or Himalayan build with the sleepy eye going on. That and I've seen enough hentai anime with characters with squinty eyes proven to badass when they fully open them to know how this will go...
VintageBass Wrote:Way ahead of you. *rides in on own slime mount* Don't ask, I got my own slime king. We're buds.

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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby coyoteredmoon » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:27 am

It looks my need to frantically write down notes is slowing down. XD
the Fool is addressing some of my problems with just saying 'Etim is the Daddy.' As a character, he hasnt enough mileage for me to utilize him in that manner. Again, If it comes to a point where we are generating a new character: I'll probably make the race a part of the generation process.
In terms of the character frame work I was talking about, I fully intended it to be pretty basic; mostly base line personality, and how she reacts to some scenarios as exaples. I would make you remember though, that im not throwing a new baby into the world where the game is taking place. The character in question will be solely in my hands until a certain age, which means I get to make certain decision on the character side. :P (muhahah)

If we run into a point where we want another party member or what not, thats fine. I'm not worried about it, even if it adds a teensy bit more work.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby VintageBass » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:46 am

coyoteredmoon Wrote:If we run into a point where we want another party member or what not, thats fine. I'm not worried about it, even if it adds a teensy bit more work.

Well we kinda have an idea as to who I want to be a party member, but for the idea it is definitely going to be more work to keep track of.

As for now, I'll be in favor of keeping Heikya as the lead. If we have to start fresh, it'll probably be better to go with someone completely unrelated to events here and just happen to stroll into town. But who, I dunno, we can discuss it for later or... now, I guess.

The Fool Wrote:My guess is it will be the exact opposite of a herm, a "IT" if you will given that slimes are both genders yet does not choose a given sex at any time even when they divide.

Well considering that I'm basing my idea on the core not only being the heart of the creature but the brain, giving them their personality along with anything else that will make them identifiable, like gender, per say. Sure they can change into anything, but really it does depend on how the core is written as, and how the slime works.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby m3rchant » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:20 pm

The Fool Wrote:
m3rchant Wrote: This would not only give the perfect excuse for us to not have to start from scratch, but this could also mean he\she gets to have extra stats and features from whoever daddy is.( I kinda feel like Etim would be the perfect guy for the job. Not only does that seem most like what we were all going for near the end, but think, a character who is mostly goblin, but with naga eyes, teeth, and tail. (though, he\she should definitely keep a pair of legs.))

....Really? Etim, the guy we know next to nothing about other then he's a elfin looking Naga and gives hugs a lot?......You wouldn't happen to be one of those rabid shipping fans that will ship anything together so long as they appear in the same scene together, are ya?! :o Cause if you are then...*takes 10 steps back before jumping into a anti-rabid fan shipping riot suit and shield with a spiked bat* I'M READY THIS TIME BOY!! (twirls bat around head) I learned my lesson after the last time I tried to argue with the Sonic fan-DUMB shippers. (shudders something awful). That and you have to deal with this:
coyoteredmoon Wrote:As for Etim being the father, I have my predispositions about that option. You all may have wanted the two to do the nasty, but Heikya was terrified of him. So I will have to think that over, still.


Relax, man. I was just throwing ideas at what seemed like everything that made this game so good going up in smoke. Like throwing grenades into a horde of zombies to save a good friend, it was better that got a little bad idea shrapnel to the leg, then become a lifeless shell of its former self!

Just be glad I didn't add in a possible story in there, 'cause I had one that was sure to throw everyone into mob mentality. Since I have no desire to die by witch burning, I'll only be posting it in here as a joke if someone asks for it.
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Re: CYOA Misadventures of Heikya

Postby bestusernameEVER » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:00 am

1. This lives...? This lives! Yeah!

2. I'm in favor of a wholly new character. It simply does away with all those complications mentioned above. In fact, I wouldn't mind a whole new setting, for a truly fresh start. (You mentioned Sci-Fi?)
2.5 dontworryimsurewellbeabletowedgeaslimebunnyinthereatleastasaneastereggorsomething

3. Next time we gotta go for more sex.
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