Despair Labyrinth (RPG) Feedback / Discussion Thread

[SpectralTime]

I dunno man. They've got those twin male child prostitutes down in the chamber already...

[ExistentialGhost]

I'm really glad for the USA, however seeing as I don't live there, they can pass pretty much all the laws they want. Regardless, I think it's pretty much a given that some equivalent of this law probably exists in some form or other in most countries.
Another thing to consider, by that reasoning, is that there definitely is a law that says something along the lines of "rape is bad", and yet you can't walk 5 pixels in this game without the possiblity of getting thoroughly humped against your will. So why make a fuss over what the law says at this point?
Besides, and I apologize for not being specific enough in my previous post, I don't mean lolis as necessarily underage girls - which, if you really want to strictly adhere to one law or other, is NOT the age of maturity, contrary to popular belief. If memory serves, the age of consent is 16 or even 15 in the US depending on the state ; you can check wikipedia's article on this subject if you want a detailed list of ages of consent by country.
Also, the shota twins were taken in by the Syndicate at a young age (they mention this if you ask them if they are old enough to have sex), so it's safe to assume the Syndicate has no qualms about dealing in children.
Anyway, I was just surprised to see lolis absent from the list, seeing as how it's usually a popular fetish. Then again, with Cesca and Lanie, perhaps Kitamaru feels like this subject has sufficiently been covered already? I don't know. Just pointing out what seemed odd to me.

[BlueLight]

I would normally point out every detail that you got wrong but i just don't remember the details enough. but for the sake of it i'll try.

So in the USA you have to be 18 to watch porn so i think thats at least a base line we have.
While i haven't look up the subject to find out the exact age or if it depends on state to state i think 18 is the youngest you can be to have consensual sex by law.
Basically you nor considered to be mature enough until your 18 however i haven't looked this up my self so i can't be sure if thats true in all states and i know it depends in other nations.

So the law i remember was only talking and children. Basically if you make any fiction about child in a sexual relations with some one you can be imprisoned. It was not focusing on rape. i don't know if we have a law about no rape in fiction. I doubt it since it's the first i've heard about it.

not much to say really.

[Lucky777]

Keeping loli out of the game will help keep the game creator and anyone who just so happens to be found with the game on their hard-drives out of prison, basically.

I'll never say the law isn't stupid as fucking shit.

But it has power, and that's the only thing that could ever matter.

Any representation of child pornography is illegal to possess in some countries, and varying other countries are marching in lockstep towards that same assinine position. That is, the REPRESENTATION is as illegal to make OR view as the separate ACTION of fucking an underage person (Willing or not) is, though they're different crimes.

I'd give you specifics and statutes, but I must plead my laziness. Also I don't know where to find U.S. statutes in particular.

[KITAmaru]

Just curious Ghost, what country do you reside in?
I can't speak for other countries, seeing as I haven't lived overseas for quite a while now, but here in the States, we tend to enjoy these little... moral crusades. As you may know, laws are typically made to enforce or establish social norms (due to varying interests from different groups in power and otherwise), and a norm that the government is attempting to establish is the 'legal' age of 18. Many of us have grandmothers that got married at age 14, but nowadays even doing so much as mentioning sex with a 17-year old over the Internet (take a seat!) can result in jail time. This is in part due to our society attempting to establish a standard that taking advantage of children or young adults whose judgment isn't fully developed is wrong, and I actually do understand the reasons behind these rules--though, if we were to get real technical about things, more research tends to suggest that the frontal lobe doesn't fully develop until age 25. We probably didn't know that much when the whole 'age 18' thing was made, though.

So for legal purposes, I'm going to go ahead and say that the characters in game involved in sexual acts are ages 18 or over. As far as the rape thing goes, there certainly more pieces of high-profile literature that emphasize and even sometimes glorify rape as opposed to this indie RPGVX game that maybe only a couple hundred people have played. And politically, there are quite a few conservative powers whose ideologies (coughPalincough) tend to suggest that a woman who gets raped only has herself to blame--which I personally strongly disagree with--but alas, there it is.

The actions taken against Seri and Rion by the Syndicate were indeed implied, but not explicitly described, which is what the laws are looking for--I had planned that beforehand so as to not have a meeting with Chris Haaaaanssseeeeennnn. It is indeed a modern-day witch hunt, and they've already made an example of some guy coming back to the U.S. from Japan with a ton of loli doujinshi by giving him jail time. Mind you, I find this ironic and stupid, for a good amount of my female friends have been victimized as children, and ironically by close family friends who were 'cool and popular boys', not some doujin-reading pedo dude living in his mother's basement and prowling for children over the Internet. This is not just an anecdotal thing either; statistically, more cases of molestation still tend to be perpetrated by family friends, relatives, or babysitters. Shows like Dateline NBC love to prey on absolute fucking idiots who are either lonely or in unhappy marriages looking for a thrill by flirting online with a ~strangely consensual~ teenager (the undercover cop). Additionally, we like to tar and feather people who exhibit any kind of attraction towards someone under the legal age of 18, even though they develop sexual urges and physical features long before then and are marketed sexually in the media by getting girls to buy, buy, buy things that make them feel prettier; not to mention those stupid fucking toddler pageants as a way to enforce traditional gender roles.

But everyone needs a pariah, on which to demonize and hate rather than take responsibility on a larger scale, as that would be too much hassle, wouldn't it?
And fearmongering is a truly effective strategy by which to put laws into motion, so there you have it.

The ethnocentrism is also relatively blatant in that not all countries quite follow the whole '18' age thing yet, though we as a country have done a pretty decent job in spreading these norms for the most part. In Japan for example, which is pretty much the homeland of hentai, they hold a standard of beauty or attractiveness to the point that even women of legal age who look or sound young (and many of them do, typically up until the mid-30's anyway) are valued highly, whereas more American women tend to exhibit larger breast sizes and body weights on average, hence the difference in cultural values.

I do understand the place for these laws, as I'd never want to see harm come to a child in real life, but I just find it ironic and silly that some people in power feel the need to enforce that everyone be 'just like them' and be Christian, heterosexual and do it in the missionary position by making examples of countless people whose guilt is in question, when the same damn politicians resort to devious things in the closet.

[SpectralTime]

...So that's a no then?

[ExistentialGhost]

Just curious Ghost, what country do you reside in?

The country of vice, decadence, and smelly cheese: France.

Anyway, thanks for the lengthy heads-up about American politics. I'm fine with your "everyone in this game is over 18 and consensual, no matter how many times the girl says no" disclaimer. Sounds bulletproof, law-wise

...So that's a no then?

This made my gf and me lol so hard for some reason. Yes, she's reading over my shoulder right now. She saw me playing the game once, made her hor-- okay, she's hitting me now, gotta go.

[KITAmaru]

Ah, lovely France. And no worries--ironically enough, there are no laws here prohibiting depictions of rape, provided that the girl is legal, but even 'consensual' sex with a minor is an absolute offense punishable by law and jail time. Interesting, huh?

In short, I'm not going to get anyone who is playing this game (or me, for that matter) in the U.S. arrested, whatever that might entail.
The U.S. already has the highest incarceration rate in the ENTIRE WORLD, so I'd like to not contribute to that getting any higher.

[Kriegor27]

The country of vice, decadence, and smelly cheese: France.

Don't mention it, I am in this terrible country as well ! ^^ (which explains my poor english)
About the "everyone in this game is over 18 and consensual, no matter how many times the girl says no" disclaimer, I really like how the popular comics from Dofantasy treat with this matter. There is usually one page before (and after) the story where you see some of the protagonists as if they were just actors, and really impatient to play their BDSM stuff. Really clever!

My gf has played despair labyrinth with me already quite a few times. We really like going into roles, and we have found quite enjoyable to play this game as if she was the playable character (as a student herself, she easily slipped into Lanie's shoes). I, for my part, play almost all the other roles. ^^ She is normally really good with rpg but she has a terrible time choosing the correct spell and not that irresistible submit option.

We are looking forward to see more!

[Ayra]

I'll avoid all the rest and just say that I give a +1 to the pet slime idea! Even better if it's possible to have the pet slime while having someone else too!

[KITAmaru]

Haha, glad I can help with peoples' sex lives, I guess, since I am making this game in part to deal with a newfound lack of one.

In other news, I am in need of some serious storyline consultants. I already have two but would like more as I understand that not everyone has the time to always be on here. As of right now there are still at least 10 more characters to introduce and I am completely lost as to what order they should go in or what sprites to use. Any help would be appreciated.

[BlueLight]

So do you need some one to review the story or help write it?

[KITAmaru]

Review proposed sections for each patch / release, since people are playing it as each bit is released, I'd like to make sure that it has proper flow.

[Milten]

Why there is no "Bestiality / Monster Sex / Tentacles Consensual or Romantic" option?
And +1 to slime pet, maybe even as party member.

[KITAmaru]

Well, the level of consent might depend on your choices, your Purity level, and so on.
Considering that the monsters out so far are more considerate than bandits, with the exception of the vine-laced abomination, it feels as if the overall level of consent in that realm is higher. Glad people like my slime though. Uh...well, I could easily touch down on that in a very Samus x Metroid way but yeah, it's not a question of will it be in the game so much as it is how often. At this point, I think we've now established that people want to see monsters, so I can start focusing on the specifics when I get there.

[BlueLight]

BTW wasn't there a tentacle monster in this version?
If so i missed it.

[KITAmaru]

There was. In the grow op (east part of the crossroads), if you lose to the plant monsters, they'll molest you with their tentacles.
Depending on if you have 0.05 or 0.05B, you'll have to kill either 6 or 1 plant monster respectively before you go south to unlock a cutscene. If you lose to the boss tentacle monster there, you'll get another H-scene and a Game Over / Bad End.

[ZeroEXE.ZX17]

sorry lag got to me so i post 2 things at once XD i'll just get rid of this one XD

[ZeroEXE.ZX17]

A controversial fetish involving the woman having sex with another person that she is typically not romantically attached to, while her primary love interest / significant other watches (or sometimes doesn't), designed to invoke feelings of jealousy. Otherwise known as cuckold.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... orareGenre

In this game it'd be presented from the female's point of view, so you'd be able to sleep with someone else while you have a primary love interest in order to garner reactions of jealousy (or however they'd react, depending on the character) if you're mean like that. That or in situations where you're both captured, you can offer your body for their release, and so on.

i personly can't stand this fetish, i guess it's becaue i have a gf but this fetish bothers me (especially when the guy and girl are forsed while the other watches) to no end, i have noting against people that do like it but as long as i don't have to see it i am good, but i would like to see some M/F consensual or romantic sex or monster (in anyway) M/F consensual or romantic as well

[ZeroEXE.ZX17]

So do you need some one to review the story or help write it?

im willing to help as well :3